Superman (Legacy)- Summer 2025

[LordGigaIce]

As I recall, Costner Kent didn’t say “Let them drown”. When questioned by Clark if he should have let everyone die instead of exposing himself and his powers, the response was “maybe”. Which makes a degree of sense in the, far more cynical, shade that Snyder preferred to cast his superhero films. Jon Kent loved his kid…but his kid is a, literal, alien with special abilities. Exposing that would have put the entire family in danger, and in THAT context, I think the response is not without merit.

"You should let them down" vs "Should I have let them drown?" "Maybe" seems like six of one, half a dozen of the other to me, to be perfectly frank.

And no, I didn't like it. Johnathan Kent should never be telling Superman not to save people. Aunt May or Alfred would never. And Johnathan Kent should have roughly the same role for Superman as those mentors have for their respective heroes.

 

[Zamuel]

I like but don't love Man of Steel and the "Should I have let them drown?" "Maybe" scene is top of the list to why. I get the reasoning for the scene, I just think that reasoning is bad for the character. Optimism is what makes Superman different from cheap knockoffs that are often evil. But the second issue with it that I've always held is that the scene feels disconnected from the later parts of the movie. Clark needed a scene where he directly reflected on either that scene or his dad going to rescue others from the tornado. The movie doesn't truly sell why this guy who mostly had an X-Men villain backstory would become a selfless protagonist.

 

[Donocropolis]

I like but don't love Man of Steel and the "Should I have let them drown?" "Maybe" scene is top of the list to why. I get the reasoning for the scene, I just think that reasoning is bad for the character. Optimism is what makes Superman different from cheap knockoffs that are often evil. But the second issue with it that I've always held is that the scene feels disconnected from the later parts of the movie. Clark needed a scene where he directly reflected on either that scene or his dad going to rescue others from the tornado. The movie doesn't truly sell why this guy who mostly had an X-Men villain backstory would become a selfless protagonist.

Yeah, almost need the OPPOSITE of that scene. Where Clark, who knows he has to keep his true nature hidden, asks his dad if he made the wrong choice by taking a risk and saving those kids. Pa Kent would then assure him that saving people was always the right choice. That feels more "Superman" to me.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Gunn and Corenswet (and Lois Lane and producer) visited the Philippines last Thurs and I got to see a 30min preview of the movie.

Have to say, I was flabbergasted at an inclusion of a character. Kinda hated what they did to another (but I know it will be justified). There was a very, very good scene that kind of went on for too long but was still very good and, for some reason, had me at the edge of my seat.

Also, is sh-t an ok word to use in movies now?

I can give spoilers if folks are interested.

 

[Donocropolis]

Also, is sh-t an ok word to use in movies now?

Heck, they used it in Transformers the Movie, a film for children, in 1986!

Glad to hear it looks to be a good movie. I've been looking forward to this one quite a bit!

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Didn't they put in the Spike swearing so they can rate the movie on a higher rating so people wouldn't think it was just kiddie movie and they could capture the older teen market?

Still, slightly jarring to hear boy scout saying it. I was slightly startled with Captain America saying America's ass in Endgame too, haha. Guess I'm slightly prudish, haha

 

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

Didn't they put in the Spike swearing so they can rate the movie on a higher rating so people wouldn't think it was just kiddie movie and they could capture the older teen Marley?

I thought they included it so that kids would have to be accompanied by a parent, so that the parent would be familiar with all the new toys that Little Jimmy would want that holiday season.

 

[Donocropolis]

I thought they included it so that kids would have to be accompanied by a parent, so that the parent would be familiar with all the new toys that Little Jimmy would want that holiday season.

Yeah, that's pretty much the story. It was fairly common at the time for parents to send their kids in alone to watch G rated movies, so that means only 1 ticket sold per kid. But PG rated movies were more of a "parent should probably stay with the kid through the movie" thing (it seems odd now, but I guess that was the case? I was 6 at the time, so I don't remember the details that well), so that means that you sell a ticket for the parent, too. The studios decided to take advantage of the ratings system by purposely putting in 1 swear word (or similar) to force the PG rating and sell tickets for the parents.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Gosh dang, I didn't know that it was a toy marketing ploy! I feel so manipulated, hehe

 

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

But PG rated movies were more of a "parent should probably stay with the kid through the movie" thing (it seems odd now, but I guess that was the case?

 

[Donocropolis]

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Not so much what the ratings mean, but I mean that I don't remember theaters full of kids with little to no adults.

 

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

Ah, my bad. Guess I misunderstood.

I thought you meant it wasn't the case that PG movies literally meant a parent was supposed to be there. XD

 

[Donocropolis]

Ah, my bad. Guess I misunderstood.

I thought you meant it wasn't the case that PG movies literally meant a parent was supposed to be there. XD

No problem. Re-reading it now, it wasn't nearly as clear as it was in my head!

 

[Fero McPigletron]

I could still give spoilers (tagged) on the preview if folks are interested. But willing to wait until actual showing is good too.