Star Trek: Picard

[Axaday]

I guess what I said wasn't really what I meant because I came up with a phrase that I loved at the last second. What I would expect on Jack's front burner isn't the quality of the robot. If my Dad got replaced by a robot, it would be really hard for me to get so stuck in a conversation that I forgot that my Dad got replaced by a robot. I would never not be looking at him and not thinking about how this was the robot of my Dad.

 

[Axaday]

I'm still waiting for the starfleet vs section 31 conflict. At what point is it just too much?

Before now.

 

[Lobjob]

Right. So let's go.

 

[Copper Bezel]

I guess what I said wasn't really what I meant because I came up with a phrase that I loved at the last second. What I would expect on Jack's front burner isn't the quality of the robot. If my Dad got replaced by a robot, it would be really hard for me to get so stuck in a conversation that I forgot that my Dad got replaced by a robot. I would never not be looking at him and thinking about how this was the robot of my Dad.

Built different I guess. In the world of Trek it just doesn't seem like that weird of a thing for me. Like even if he genuinely thought of Picard as something other than the other Picard he didn't know, which is, again, already a huge assumption. I imagine kids interact with holographic Leah Brahmses in school. They'd know it's not Leah Brahms, but there's a suspension of disbelief there if you're having a conversation.

 

[Axaday]

You think because Geordi did, everyone is going to. I imagine the holosuites at school have parental controls.

 

[Dekafox]

Regular reminder that Will Riker was fully cloned by Transporter once, and the one we consider the original is only because he's the one we'd seen before the other Will got rescued.

 

[Axaday]

Well Will outranks Tom...

 

[Axaday]

Well Will outranks Tom...

If DS9 hadn't made him a villain, it would have been interesting if Thomas Riker had married Deanna instead of Will.

 

[Copper Bezel]

You think because Geordi did, everyone is going to. I imagine the holosuites at school have parental controls.

No, I mean instead of a history video. Like those things at the old west history museums where people reenact Mark Twain or whatever.

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

What? Using an element from the now-defunct novel canon? Can't have that!

I only noticed just now that between seasons 2 and 3, every one of the original 13 Luna-class starships mentioned in the pre-Kurtzman novels has been made canonical! Complete with the registries originally published in the backmatter of Sword of Damocles!

God I hope the inclusion of the Reliant class means we never see another Miranda class ship used to fill in a fleet in a battle. I feel bad for the one that got called in in First Contact to fight the Borg cube.

(Then again, at this point, it's tradition, and I should actually be hoping to see one in the background in Disco S5.)

I loved seeing the STO Gagarin, Reliant, Sutherland, Ross, and Pathfinder supersede the Shepard, Miranda, Nebula, Galaxy, and Intrepid, even if the latter two are a bit too soon in 2401. Even the Walker-class now has a canonical design successor, the Lancelot-class, though it is named differently from STO's Georgiou-class and Shenzhou-class.

I just wish the Excelsior-II and Constitution-III had their own nouns. Perhaps Styles-class for the former and Kirk-class or Garrett-class for the latter.

 

[Copper Bezel]

Yeah, I hadn't gone birdwatching for all of the STO ships that made it into Picard, but that's really nice. Not only are they (IMO) really some of the nicest ship designs out there, but they fill a much needed hole that Picard S1 drew a lot of focus to. I feel like inventing new 25th C. starships has to be STO's biggest selling point, something we haven't been getting anywhere else, and something that the great majority of Trek fans are always going to be up for, so it's nice that they could finally just bring it together.

I also like that the Pathfinder kept the black paneling.

As for the Excelsior-II, we don't have a Sulu Class yet! (Though those on-the-nose references can pile up at times.)

 

[Copper Bezel]

Right. So let's go.

I'm not sure how much of the blame I put on Section 31 as opposed to Starfleet as a whole. They're just as easily puppeted by a few changelings or Zhat Vash. It's an organization of Shaws just following orders. Time to dust off the old flag IMO

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Over a month after the finale dropped, production designer Dave Blass has tweeted a new revelation about a new ship class from the finale, named in honour of the late and great model designer Greg Jein

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661711185891274752

 

[The Predaking]

That is pretty awesome!

 

[Copper Bezel]

I don't know Jein, but that seems like a neat tribute. Ship itself is pretty cool too, a lot of the Sovereign but with notes of the Excelsior and NX rubbed in, which makes me think Eaves really dipped into his own favorite lines. The streeeeetched out bridge bump makes it look like it's under constant motion blur and gives it a fast vibe. The underslung impulse engines are a really unique touch.

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Yeah, I hadn't gone birdwatching for all of the STO ships that made it into Picard, but that's really nice. Not only are they (IMO) really some of the nicest ship designs out there, but they fill a much needed hole that Picard S1 drew a lot of focus to. I feel like inventing new 25th C. starships has to be STO's biggest selling point, something we haven't been getting anywhere else, and something that the great majority of Trek fans are always going to be up for, so it's nice that they could finally just bring it together.

I also like that the Pathfinder kept the black paneling.

I find the black paneling one of the better aspects of STO design migrating into canon!

 

[Copper Bezel]

Oh that is wonderful. = D Sharpest livery since the TOS movies! I know the black is explained as areas of extra ablative armor, but the contrast really makes everything pop. I love how the Sutherland takes even a monster like the Nebula class and reworks it into something classy.

 

[wentwood]

I was wondering if the 1701 G could be around for 17 more years for a team up with The USS Orville -

Or if the 1701-H could be active by then.

Granted the crew would be 18 years older and command a 2nd Enterprise.

Kirk and Picard each had 2 so 7 might do the same unless Rafi takes over as Captain before then.

 

[Dake]

That Reliant looks way too busy.

 

[Copper Bezel]

Maybe, yeah. I don't like the trapezoids going down the spine of the torpedo pod, and I think too many things were inherited too directly from the Miranda class.

The giant Starfleet-branded AAs aren't identical and the lines are a little less obtrusive on the Reliant class, but don't think they need to be there at all, along with those two big exposed plates of greeble next to them. I'm not sure about the scale of the windows in either model - I know the TOS Enterprise and the movie era Grissom assumed too-small decks, but I don't know if that's true of the refit Enterprise and the original Reliant. Either way the Reliants both appear to have four decks in the sloped sections at the front of the angular section of the hull, and the Reliant class should be a much bigger ship, so that seems like a problem.

I do think the bridge bulge and the black detailing behind it is really lovely and also conveys a much more accurate sense of scale. I like all of what's happening back here, if not for those wide strips of greeble on either side. And the black strip makes for a less obvious and annoying callback to the original.

I very much appreciate that it has a deflector dish now, although I would have switched that and the torpedo pod. It never made sense for the Miranda to have that giant rollbar and module for something the Constitution II had set into a couple of decks of neck. Putting the deflector up there would have given the rollbar a bit more purpose. And I think this ship would be prettier without the cutout at the front of the saucer.

The RCS units the size of runabouts are bonkers. Just way too big and toylike.

I wish the phaser strips were up along the outer edge of the white circle of the saucer instead of that little row of turreted windows, and instead of disrupting the outer row of large, white panels there. But I have to give them a bit of credit for including and paying a lot of attention to the phaser strips. Not a ball turret in sight!