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Star Trek: Picard
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I struggle a lot with the notion that screwing up the Saturn mission and then sending Picard and his friends back to struggle to fix the timeline and even late in the game giving Dr. Soong help against them to make it harder was the perfect way to get Picard to look around in his chateau and deal with his childhood trauma. Picard was, I think, planning to look around his chateau later in the day that Q snatched him from.
I think this alone is a good enough reason to pretend like anything that happened or didn't happen in Season 2 is a wash and we can just pretend like none of it matters or exists.
That's what I did once I hit episode 6 of that second season. I'm glad that there isn't any reason for me to go back and finish it!
Aw, but you don't get to see the dramatic chase in which three quadcopters from Radio Shack are knocked out of the air by one quadcopter from Radio Shack before they can destroy a NASA rocket on the launchpad with their no weapons. And you're missing out on so many other lovely features, including:
Picard S2 is possibly the most garbage season of Trek in the entire franchise, and I'd rather rewatch Insurrection.
- Multiple actors distractingly recast as essentially unrelated people with identical mannerisms
- Consistently unclear stakes
- Last minute asspull reveals
- Antagonists (plural) shifting their entire attitudes on a dime when the audience is informed of their non-villainous motivations
- Extremely depressing implications of how this story interacts with prior established later canon events
- Resolving the season arc with a hug without earning it
- A complete misunderstanding of how working together toward a common goal relates to system-wide challenges in society
- Wesley
- Name-dropping Khan harder than Cumberbatch did, in a way that only makes sense if you assume the universe revolves around elements that are significant to fans
- A wizard ******* did it
Picard S2 is possibly the most garbage season of Trek in the entire franchise, and I'd rather rewatch Insurrection.
Hey, but you get to see Picard get ran over by Brent Spiner in a Tesla!
Joking aside, I liked the whole James Calis guest starring and the twist behind it. Q's speech to Picard at the end was great too. Wesley actually got a good send off from season two in my opinion. However, the season was bad, but it did have some good moments.
It was interesting what they did with tying Wesley and the Travelers and Laris' Grandma and ...Gary Seven? together. But it winds up raising questions for me that I cannot count on them to answer.
And I feel like if Wesley can also time travel, which we didn't know before, then there is no reason he doesn't have time to visit his mom now and then. But then I guess he showed up to the Nemesis wedding. We don't really know that he DOESN'T visit his mom sometimes.
He would have been a big help later on in Nemesis. And in Season 3.
And I feel like if Wesley can also time travel, which we didn't know before, then there is no reason he doesn't have time to visit his mom now and then. But then I guess he showed up to the Nemesis wedding. We don't really know that he DOESN'T visit his mom sometimes.
He would have been a big help later on in Nemesis. And in Season 3.
Wil Weaton gave an unofficial explanation for that. He said travelers aren't really "allowed" to go interact with their former life or something. I mean it makes a little sense. The Nemesis thing is probably something we should just forget about it.
This season of Picard definitely felt that way. Crusher talked about him as if he was dead on two different occasions. That's a pretty explicit sign that at least according to this series, he hasn't been visiting.
Which he really should be doing. You don't evolve into some super powerful being and not call mom every once in a while.
Even Q spend time with their family.
If we really HAD to reconcile it, I'm sure we could say something like, "he got one opportunity to go back and see folks, explaining that he would never be able to do so again (and why). He chose the timing of Riker's and Troi's wedding to do so." This would also be consistent with Dr. Crusher's feeling that she'd lost him, as stated in S3.
Seems to me that's exactly why you don't. The temptation to do something... unwise... with all that cosmic power is just too great, especially when it involves those you love.
Even thinking of an entity like Q as having past or future selves might be thinking a little too linearly. Even the Bajoran wormhole aliens, (arguably) not as evolved as the Continuum, exist in the past, present and future simultaneously.
Two notes from random things seen on Facebook:
I just saw a picture of the Rikers with their daughter and it occurred to me for the first time: Vadic went to their planet, pretended to be Will, kidnapped Troi to use as leverage....and left their daughter alone. Maybe they have neighbors. It didn't seem like it. Maybe she's old enough to take care of herself for a while. A few years older than when we saw her, I guess. Was she off playing in the woods? Seems like she'd help with the leverage thing.
I also just saw a clickbait article by someone who wishes Seven had gotten the Enterprise-F. My first thought was that it is fine if the Enterprise isn't the flagship and just one out doing its work. Especially if it is exploring. And Seven has only been in Starfleet a few years, maybe only a first officer for that week and just got promoted to Captain. She has very little command experience in Starfleet and would be a huge surprise as commander of Enterprise-F. But then the SECOND thought dropped. We didn't ever really see it addressed, but Seven might be right now one of the oldest officers that isn't an Admiral and may have more command experience than the captains of MOST ships in the fleet now.
I just saw a picture of the Rikers with their daughter and it occurred to me for the first time: Vadic went to their planet, pretended to be Will, kidnapped Troi to use as leverage....and left their daughter alone. Maybe they have neighbors. It didn't seem like it. Maybe she's old enough to take care of herself for a while. A few years older than when we saw her, I guess. Was she off playing in the woods? Seems like she'd help with the leverage thing.
I also just saw a clickbait article by someone who wishes Seven had gotten the Enterprise-F. My first thought was that it is fine if the Enterprise isn't the flagship and just one out doing its work. Especially if it is exploring. And Seven has only been in Starfleet a few years, maybe only a first officer for that week and just got promoted to Captain. She has very little command experience in Starfleet and would be a huge surprise as commander of Enterprise-F. But then the SECOND thought dropped. We didn't ever really see it addressed, but Seven might be right now one of the oldest officers that isn't an Admiral and may have more command experience than the captains of MOST ships in the fleet now.
(Freed) Dobbie vs Q; who would win?
A thought regarding Seven: we've seen that there are three ways to get into Starfleet.
1) Go to Starfleet Academy. This is the path most officers take, though the problem is that the Academy only accepts the best and the brightest (as we saw with Wesley; most candidates have to apply multiple times before they successfully get in), and non-Federation citizens (like Nog) have to be sponsored.
2) Enlist. This will get you into the fleet, but you will not be a commissioned officer. This is the path Chief O'Brien took (he was Chief Petty Officer on DS9, and noted that a fresh-out-of-the-Academy ensign outranked him).
3) Join an equivalent organization recognized by Starfleet, rise through the ranks, and transfer over. We saw this in DS9 when Kira went from a Bajoran Colonel to a Starfleet Commander, and in Lower Decks, when T'Lyn transferred from the Vulcan Expeditionary Fleet to Starfleet. Presumably, Janeway forged an ad-hoc equivalency agreement with the Maquis off-camera when Voyager was stranded, allowing Chakotay's crew to transfer over with their ranks intact (probably facilitated by Chakotay already running his crew to a formal standard).
For Seven, it's possible the Fenris Rangers were such an organization, in which case her previous status as an agent would have a bearing on her Starfleet rank.
1) Go to Starfleet Academy. This is the path most officers take, though the problem is that the Academy only accepts the best and the brightest (as we saw with Wesley; most candidates have to apply multiple times before they successfully get in), and non-Federation citizens (like Nog) have to be sponsored.
2) Enlist. This will get you into the fleet, but you will not be a commissioned officer. This is the path Chief O'Brien took (he was Chief Petty Officer on DS9, and noted that a fresh-out-of-the-Academy ensign outranked him).
3) Join an equivalent organization recognized by Starfleet, rise through the ranks, and transfer over. We saw this in DS9 when Kira went from a Bajoran Colonel to a Starfleet Commander, and in Lower Decks, when T'Lyn transferred from the Vulcan Expeditionary Fleet to Starfleet. Presumably, Janeway forged an ad-hoc equivalency agreement with the Maquis off-camera when Voyager was stranded, allowing Chakotay's crew to transfer over with their ranks intact (probably facilitated by Chakotay already running his crew to a formal standard).
For Seven, it's possible the Fenris Rangers were such an organization, in which case her previous status as an agent would have a bearing on her Starfleet rank.