Star Trek General Discussion

[ZacWilliam1]

I didn't watch most of Enterprise but I did watch the last few. IIRC my issue with the killing Trip thing is that it didn't feel right narratively. It felt like the kind be of thing they would have absolutely overcome and saved him from in any other episode, but didn't here for no other reason than the show runners wanted to have a death in the finale.

At least that's how I remember it feeling to me, like something that wasn't "true to how Star Trek stories work."


-ZacWilliam, I don't know if I would feel different now, but at the time I strongly disliked that plot point. It didn't help that Trip was probably the most likeable one, but even that aside it just felt "manipulative" and "un-Star Trek-y".

 

[Axaday]

I resented killing Trip because I was thinking there was potential for a movie series after the end of the show, but that didn't happen anyway.

In the books, they brought Trip back to life immediately.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

I resented killing Trip because I was thinking there was potential for a movie series after the end of the show, but that didn't happen anyway.

In the books, they brought Trip back to life immediately.

What? How? They used a mimic animal thing again like how they made that copy of him just to grow an organ replacement?

I actually sorta assumed that TPol had sex with that copy. And then gave birth to the poor baby before the real Trip recovered.

Why did Terra Prime make the baby anyway? They wanted to mix human and Vulcan DNA and show the world what kind of monster baby it would be? But when she turned out looking normal, they didn't care anymore?

 

[Ungnome]

If only I could justify getting that piece of kit, it's absolutely beautiful.

 

[Axaday]

What? How? They used a mimic animal thing again like how they made that copy of him just to grow an organ replacement?

The death was faked so he could join Section 31.

 

[TM2-Megatron]

I supposed the Klingon Augments turning human was an explanation for the normal looking Klingons in TOS? Isn't Enterprise, I dunno, a hundred or whatever years before TOS? Wouldn't the human Klingons have died already by then? But it was a great arc for Phlox. Also Reed Malcolm actually.

Klingons seem to be just a tad more long-lived than the average human... recall how several of Kirk's TOS-era Klingon opponents are still alive and surprisingly active during DS9's time.

Also, those human-looking Klingons would've had children and passed on those genetic traits. It probably wasn't until sometime after TOS that Klingon genetic-engineering evolved to the point they were able to safely solve it for good.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

The death was faked so he could join Section 31.

Did he really? Is that a joke? I can't tell if it is, haha

I dunno the Klingon lifespan but ok. I wonder if the failed Klingon Augments are compatible with humans.

 

[wonko the sane?]

The actual, natural lifespan of the klingon species is unknown. Long lived klingons are assumed to be aberrations as they didn't die in glorious battle in the name of the empire, and are only sought out to determine what they did in life so that those things can be avoided.

 

[Axaday]

Did he really? Is that a joke? I can't tell if it is, haha

It is serious. Novel writers, at least, immediately knew it was a big mistake to kill off the character. I have only read a few books, but T'Pol knew he was still alive and I think Archer eventually did too.

 

[TM2-Megatron]

I wonder if the failed Klingon Augments are compatible with humans.

Well, regular Klingons have been shown to be genetically compatible with humans (K'Ehleyr and B'Elanna Torres are both half-human), so there's no reason why not.

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

The death was faked so he could join Section 31.

Ha, and it's not so outlandish an idea now that LD used it for William Boimler!

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Ok, I haven't said anything but I'm in season 3 ep Macrocosm episode of Voyager. It's been great (with some sad eps) but I'm only mentioning now cuz it's the ep where the macro viruses were shown in Lower Decks.

So the macro viruses start out small and infect people so more come out of their necks then grow big (very creepy and obviously Ripley Aliens of Janeway to fight them). In the Lower Decks ep, they split apart to multiply? They also make a slime that sticks people to walls, which the original didn't do either.

The little lizards bots were models of, yikes, super evolved Janeway and Paris. And their babies, yikes, yikes, yikes. Why did the model get a mustache tho?

The Clown ep had an amazing ending and the sets reminded me of classic TOS and certain holodecks in Next Gen (like Troi's mom with Alexander in the mud baths). The Clown also tried killing Lower Deckers with a knife, ala the guillotine from the ep.

I haven't seen Chaotica and Michael Sullivan yet. Can't wait to see captain proton.

The Neelix Cheese messed up Voyager in season 1, where Tuvok was teaching unruly marquis.

I haven't seen the Borg yet.

The Tuvix thing was... I dunno, they could have stored his personality in the transport buffer and materialized a body for him?

I have to see the Tom Paris ep of Lower Decks again, unless there's character spoilers there. I think he does marry Torres.

Are there Doctor and Harry Kim references in Lower Decks that I missed? They're my faves. Also Neelix sometimes.

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I'll get into what I thought of s1 s2 Voyager another time but it's been great! Only bad episode I can remember is the Chakotay Indian ep, ugh.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Near the end of season 3. There was just a weird episode where Neelix and Kes were suddenly broken up. Happened off screen?

Warlord was also a very cool acting episode for Kes.

And Darkling (episode where Neelix and Kes broke up?) had the Doctor be a very convincing evil guy! That was so cool!

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

That's pretty much it. They broke up when Kes was possessed, and for some reason, it stuck.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

I looked up the background and saw a peculiar note. Saying that the writers broke them up because they needed to make space for Seven of Nine.

I don't really know much about Seven of Nine (other than she's really popular) but I saw the ep were Chakotay met up with various aliens who were turned into Borg.

Please do not answer this question. I just want to state it for my own record but... is Kes going to become Seven of Nine?!?!? This is kinda mindblowing.

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Also saw the Harry Kim surrounded by alien ladies who want his genetic material. It was like a TOS animated ep.

Kes going backwards in time was scary, especially when she appeared in the womb.

The Doctor having a family was, geez, did they have to kill his kid?

 

[electricidad]

Yeah, I remember the throat punch of the Doctor and his holographic family.

I haven’t done a Next Gen/DS9/Voyager re-watch in years. I figure it’s about time.

 

[DefaultOption]

A bit off topic, but here's a commercial for the Toyota Corona from 1968 with James Doohan (TOS Scotty):

 

[Haywire]

Along a similar vein...

 

[DefaultOption]

So for anyone who doesn't know, that's nearly a word-for-word send-up of Ricardo Montalban's infamous 1970s TV spot for the Chrysler Cordoba, which inspired thousands of jokes about 'Corintian leather':

And it's a little extra funny when you consider that the Chrysler Corporation also started manufacturing the Plymouth Reliant the year before Star Trek II was released.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Going slowly with the Voyager eps.

Saw Worst Case Scenario. Looooved the start then loooooved the reveal then looooved them all arguing about narrative elements to add to the holonovel. Seska the villain was great (btw, what happened to the baby?). Slightly miffed that it started out as B'Elanna doing the novel then Paris hijacks her. Looooved how everybody loved the story and wanted more. Made me so giddy for storytellers.

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"Bridge to Chakotay. Scorpion."

That was so badass! Also, the Borg scenes were still so scary to see. Hope the fluid space species 8716whatever aren't written out.

Well, I guess I was wrong about Kes being 7 of 9. I thought she was going to be assimilated and her original personality to be purged. But would also save her live since she was dying from old age anyhow.

When 7 of 9 appeared in an actual body, I thought maybe she and Kes would merge somehow, since Kes was needed to telepathically talk to the aliens and 7 of 9's Borg implants were needed to implant the virus whatever. But no, two different people.