Star Trek General Discussion

[Tuxedo Prime]

And is now part of a person who's possibly in another different relationship with Bashir, though who knows how long that would have lasted.

Per the "First Splinter Timeline" DS9 relaunch stories, not very long, as neither of them could exorcise the "anaphasic energy being" in the room. In later stories Ezri describes Bashir as an infuriating lover but a very dear friend, and she ends up coming to his rescue in 2385 when... well, it's a long story.

Until Bashir realizes his true love is Garak. That IS Siddig and Robinson's headcanon on what ends up happening anyway. Behr has also indicated that he DID want Garak to be attracted to Bashir, but the suits wouldn't let him explore the idea openly.

I'd wondered why Faith Salie hadn't been in any of the Sid City Club fic readings, despite wanting to reprise the character of Sarina Douglas....

I'm fully aware that mine is a minority shipping position, and to be honest I understand why. I certainly don't begrudge the Bashir/Garak shippers their need for a better story that what 1990s television was prepared for. (I feel much the same way about Major Hayes on Enterprise, who put out a certain "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" vibe but got a Heroic Sacrifice before we could learn his full backstory beyond where on Earth he was from.)

Still, I do feel that the "learning to be a good ally" arc that the doctor canonically had was a good lesson for 1990s straight young men (such as myself) to learn, and was rather amused when author David Mack had the space bus come back with Sarina on board -- albiet with some ambiguity as to whether this is her choice or if a certain numbered agency is playing matchmaker....

 

[Kup]

Well Dax isn't dead and retains a good chunk of Jadzia's memories and thought patterns, so she's only mostly dead.

Well…

Spoiler

Not necessarily true. It depends on whether the Symbiont was on ship with an active warp core during the burn…

 

[Copper Bezel]

Yeah, but we all know the thirty-second century isn't the real present and that right now "is" happens somewhere in the range of Lower Decks to Picard.

Until Bashir realizes his true love is Garak. That IS Siddig and Robinson's headcanon on what ends up happening anyway. Behr has also indicated that he DID want Garak to be attracted to Bashir, but the suits wouldn't let him explore the idea openly.

Oh right, duh, how could I have forgotten! I was only thinking in terms of it being Ezri Dax's first relationship while she is still deeply in a figuring-herself-out phase of life and Bashir being unlikely to commit easily, so they're both basically college kids and I'd give either of them six months in a randomly assigned relationship even if it wasn't with each other. I'd somehow forgotten Bashir already had a will-they-won't-they on the mantlepiece that's gotta fire eventually.

 

[Destron D-69]

to be fair, the Dax/Bashir thing is also a callback to season 1 - if nobody else mentioned that already.

 

[Copper Bezel]

... Kinda sounds like you have a kink there my friend.

to be fair, the Dax/Bashir thing is also a callback to season 1 - if nobody else mentioned that already.

Yeah, I think in the rare case I've actually seen something recently, I have the problem of taking for granted and leaving "the obvious" unstated despite the fact that it's not actually obvious unless you've been right there immersed in that space recently.

God, I know the age gap cuts both ways here, mid 30s to early 20s and also mid 200s, but Bashir sure had been wondering how far down Dax's spots went since before Ezri's came in, huh

 

[The Predaking]

Wouldn't he know that as a doctor though?

 

[The Predaking]

Until Bashir realizes his true love is Garak. That IS Siddig and Robinson's headcanon on what ends up happening anyway. Behr has also indicated that he DID want Garak to be attracted to Bashir, but the suits wouldn't let him explore the idea openly.

When I rewatched the series the last time, I definitely saw bits/hints of that in the show, but growing up watching DS9, it was never even on my radar so to speak. I just thought that they had a good friendship, and sadly never saw each other after the series end due to Garak running the Cardassian recovery/government.

 

[The Predaking]

And is now part of a person who's possibly in another different relationship with Bashir, though who knows how long that would have lasted.

The takehome lesson is that if you're going to be sci-fi'd away into a noncorporeal parallel reality for a few decades, you probably shouldn't expect romantic partners to wait around for you in the interim. Sisko's just going to have to deal if Kasidy's moved on by the time he gets back, too.

My head cannon that is a few days after the end of the series Jake takes his step mom and sibling on a trip to Bajor, and go to the land that Sisko had picked out for a homestead. They get there, surprised to find a house there with a smoking chimney. They open the door and there is Sisko, cooking lunch for everyone. They stay there on Bajor, only telling their closest friends about Sisko's return.

 

[Tuxedo Prime]

When I rewatched the series the last time, I definitely saw bits/hints of that in the show, but growing up watching DS9, it was never even on my radar so to speak. I just thought that they had a good friendship, and sadly never saw each other after the series end due to Garak running the Cardassian recovery/government.

See my post above.

A friend/roommate had to point out the "celluloid closet" hints that Andrew Robinson dropped, but once you know what to look for....

 

[wonko the sane?]

My head cannon that is a few days after the end of the series Jake takes his step mom and sibling on a trip to Bajor, and go to the land that Sisko had picked out for a homestead. They get there, surprised to find a house there with a smoking chimney. They open the door and there is Sisko, cooking lunch for everyone. They stay there on Bajor, only telling their closest friends about Sisko's return.

Considering the nature of time to the wormhole aliens: this is a completely plausible and achievable outcome.

 

[Copper Bezel]

Wouldn't he know that as a doctor though?

One would think, but he comments on it the morning after with Ezra!

 

[The Predaking]

First Look | Star Trek: Prodigy - Season 2, Episode 1

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Woot! The Doctor is back!

 

[Copper Bezel]

Oh, he does ... not translate to CGI very well, yikes. But that is delightful, so nice to hear him again

 

[Destron D-69]

Ezri's spots are obviously different ... maybe they wrap around to the front a little, she is a bit shorter lol

 

[wentwood]

In a few later books Ezri had command of her own ship.

 

[Copper Bezel]

Ezri's spots are obviously different ... maybe they wrap around to the front a little, she is a bit shorter lol

I love the bit she meets Jake, "Did you get taller or did I get ... shorter?" (Yes.)

 

[Ungnome]

First Look | Star Trek: Prodigy - Season 2, Episode 1

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Woot! The Doctor is back!

Love the way they integrated the Voyager theme into the sequence.

As far as the Doctor goes, yea, his CGI is a bit off, but Picardo only looks right in the flesh. Need I remind you of Johnny Cab?

 

[Copper Bezel]

Okay, I'm finding myself unreasonably impressed by this, but I just clocked the fact you probably were all aware of, that regardless of any other canon breaking shenanigans, Star Trek has been getting the combadges right since 1994.

So the combadge had changed from the original delta on an oval to the same delta but on a boxy loop as of the end of TNG, though it hadn't worked its way back to the TNG crew yet. In the finale, though, the much later future Starfleet used a radically different badge with a hollow delta over two vertical trapezoids. Later, "The Visitor" in DS9 used the same design for future Starfleet as well, presumably the same prop. Prodigy S1 and Lower Decks, which happen after TNG and DS9, but before their respective flash-forward episodes, went back to a more classic lone delta without the oval or loop, something we hadn't seen before in a time we hadn't traveled to. Picard, which happens last of all, after even the flash-forward events, has a streamlined version of the flash-forward badge with offset trapezoids trimmed to the upper margin of the delta, clearly a later evolution of that design.

Now, finally, the present of Prodigy has caught up with the All Good Things combadges, and the sequence is complete. = o

 

[TM2-Megatron]

I think my favorite, aesthetically, is the future-TNG/Prodigy S2. The ST: Picard era version, while similar, doesn't look as nice with the dark trapezoids... and then the one in use in the very last episode of Picard goes back to gold trapezoids, but still trimmed at the top... and a kind of ugly chrome finish on the delta itself rather than the satin finish used previously.

Although the TWOK delta will always be a thing of beauty. It's my hope to be buried wearing one.

 

[Copper Bezel]

I really hate saying this, but they're all chunky costume jewelry made to look good at a distance if at all, and I don't actually really like any of them once I get a close look. I didn't even realize the switch to the gold in Picard only happened in the epilogue, and I still cant be sure I'm seeing the difference in the finish. Hell, I never even noticed that the delta got chubbier and gained a protruding outline in the change from TNG to DS9/Voyager, the latter of which I guess is why all the later combadges have a hollow delta. (There's almost even a logic to how LD still has the outline but gets flat, and the Protostar badge has the split delta because of its comet element, and those come together in the All Good Things badge.) I thought I probably liked the Picard one best, but the more I look at it, the less I actually like the thick layers and delta outline.

I do appreciate the way the All Good Things badge came back around to looking like a simple metal badge after the toylike ones in TNG/DS9/Voyager though. I don't like how those made it obvious where you pop the back open to put in the coin cell battery to make the beep-beep noises. Kinda fitting how the Disco tricom eventually brings it full circle by being primarily a gadget that's simply decorated with a badge on top, just like the TNG one.

I think my ideal look would be the Disco S1 command division badge, minus the pips and the split-level shape, so it's just a smooth delta with the comet, and without the backing layer and friendlier corners of the SNW badges. Could be cheeky with it too by making the comet negative space, shifting it to the left (the wearer's right), and having the tail pass through the upper edge of the delta. I do also kind of like the Kelvin badges with their revised division icons, goofy worm outline not even trying to be cool, and simple flat design.

But anyone could make cooler badges. I just think it's cool how Trek made these weird decisions along the way but stuck with them in consistent ways that made sense in continuity. It feels like some kind of moment that the present of one of these series has finally caught up to this badge that's existed for thirty years and been consistently referenced from either side on the timeline.