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LBD "Nytetrayn"

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"Freeze! Or I'll hit you with my sword!"

"My empress kept losing to... this? Maybe I should just do things on my own, steal some neat White Tiger powers to blend in with my Green Dragon while I'm at it."

his Season 3 one just made him into a diet soda version of Billy instead of letting him be his own character.

I don't recall the episode, so I'm curious as to how.

To say nothing of his unceremonious departure from the series in the Turbo movie

In fairness, he wasn't even going to do that. They wanted him to be the Blue Turbo Ranger, he was ready to just leave after failed contract negotiations, but they asked him to at least kinda do a "pass the torch" bit for the movie, to which he agreed.

 

Sabrblade

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I don't recall the episode, so I'm curious as to how.
It was an episode where Rocky and his science teacher were in a student-teacher program where the two traded places, with Rocky as the teacher and the teacher as the student, and Rocky's whole thing in the episode was his being very studious and determined to get a good grade on the assignment. They tried to portray Rocky like he was some very intelligent, academia-driven student very much like how Billy was, only minus the super genius elements.

Then Rito turned the teacher into the monster of the day and Rocky and the others had to fight him in order to return him back to normal. Rocky did at least get a cool moment where he broke off the Ape Ninjazord from the rest of the Ninja Megazord combination in order to personally fight the monster by himself (as he felt guilty and responsible for letting Rito turn the teacher into the monster), but that was more of a Sentai footage thing than an idea the Power Rangers writers came up with.
 

Shadewing

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He was, but a lot of that was the show trying to position him as someone to replace JDF should JDF wanna leave. There's a story about Hiam Saban telling him to grow his hair out because he assumed Tommy was popular because he had long hair.

Which, as an aside, how does someone build an empire through children's entertainment without actually understanding what kids find compelling? Power Rangers' early years feel like
Hiam Michael Scott'ing his way into a billion dollar enterprise.

Anyway... yeah. JYB was clearly someone the writers and producers had time for, but even he was given stuff with the hope that he could just be the new Tommy should JDF depart.

And then JDF did depart, but they ended up firing JYB anyway because like I said, this whole thing was a Michael Scott operation. How this show lasted as long as it did should be studied for years to come.

Yeah, Turbo was originally just Tommy and Kat leaving, but someone decided that they should just do an entire cast refresh (minus Justin since he was the refresh) Maybe its due to the first half of Turbo being dismal, that they just felt they needed new everything. Since we got a some BTS changes as well. JYB wanted to continue doing the show. Honestly, he's the only one I would have kept, as most the replacements at least got more respect then the previous replacements. Except Carlos. I don't know why, but I never really liked Carlos. He just felt like Adam's Rocky to me. ...That's kinda insulting to Carlos as he was never as "wtf do we do with him?" but still felt like they didnt really know what to do with him.
 

LordGigaIce

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Yeah, Turbo was originally just Tommy and Kat leaving, but someone decided that they should just do an entire cast refresh (minus Justin since he was the refresh) Maybe its due to the first half of Turbo being dismal, that they just felt they needed new everything. Since we got a some BTS changes as well. JYB wanted to continue doing the show. Honestly, he's the only one I would have kept, as most the replacements at least got more respect then the previous replacements. Except Carlos. I don't know why, but I never really liked Carlos. He just felt like Adam's Rocky to me. ...That's kinda insulting to Carlos as he was never as "wtf do we do with him?" but still felt like they didnt really know what to do with him.
I'm a huge JYB fan and he probably could have been great as the new face of the show if they'd let him, but honestly? It sucks to say but... Turbo gets a whole new lease on life once the cast change happens.
Turbo was about where I tapped out on Power Rangers as a kid and rewatching it? Zeo was a genuinely good time and then Turbo just doesn't do anything with that. It's just awful, and I think the cast change coincided with a realization that they needed to punch it up a level.
 

Sabrblade

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Yeah, the new cast seemed to click better because they were also younger, meaning they were closer in age to Justin so it felt less awkward that a bunch of teenagers were hanging out with a child prodigy in high school than it did when it was a bunch of grown adults were hanging out with him.

Like, the old guard had graduated and were ready to move on from high school, yet because Justin was still in school and part of the team now, the show needed to keep finding excuses to bring the others back into Angel Grove High despite their no longer being students there. IIRC, they made Kat a teaching assistant or something, but what were the others' excuses?

Replacing all of the older cast meant the new cast could be young enough to all attend Angel Grove High with Justin, even if that felt like a stab in the back to the old guard.
 

Sabrblade

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Backing up to Tommy's all-consuming popularity, this video does a good job of breaking down how the MMPR movie was basically "The Adventures of Tommy Oliver and his Five Sidekicks":

 

LordGigaIce

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Yeah, the new cast seemed to click better because they were also younger, meaning they were closer in age to Justin so it felt less awkward that a bunch of teenagers were hanging out with a child prodigy in high school than it did when it was a bunch of grown adults were hanging out with him.

Like, the old guard had graduated and were ready to move on from high school, yet because Justin was still in school and part of the team now, the show needed to keep finding excuses to bring the others back into Angel Grove High despite their no longer being students there. IIRC, they made Kat a teaching assistant or something, but what were the others' excuses?

Replacing all of the older cast meant the new cast could be young enough to all attend Angel Grove High with Justin, even if that felt like a stab in the back to the old guard.
They're also pretty fun in their own right. Carlos is the Turbo Ranger I have the least fondness for but TJ, Cassie, and Ashley are all great.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Rocky did at least get a cool moment where he broke off the Ape Ninjazord from the rest of the Ninja Megazord combination in order to personally fight the monster by himself (as he felt guilty and responsible for letting Rito turn the teacher into the monster), but that was more of a Sentai footage thing than an idea the Power Rangers writers came up with.

Ah, now that part, I do remember!

Always thought it was awesome when individual Zords got to go in for that stuff. Loved it when Billy did the same thing with his Shogunzord against that wall monster.

I'm a huge JYB fan and he probably could have been great as the new face of the show if they'd let him, but honestly? It sucks to say but... Turbo gets a whole new lease on life once the cast change happens.
Turbo was about where I tapped out on Power Rangers as a kid and rewatching it? Zeo was a genuinely good time and then Turbo just doesn't do anything with that. It's just awful, and I think the cast change coincided with a realization that they needed to punch it up a level.

Turbo was where I tapped out... until Space. I wasn't sure if it was the show, or if maybe I'd just gotten too old for it. (Spoiler: It wasn't the latter.)

And even then, Space alone wasn't enough to bring me back. Admittedly, at least at the time, "Power Rangers in Space" just sounded like the most boardroom-brained shark-jumping thing I could imagine. So I never even gave it a look after hearing about it.

Funny it would go on to become one of my all-time favorites and extremely influential on me.

But what got me back in?

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I was watching Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation at the time, and so the crossover pulled me back in, got me curious after so much had changed, and I've been a Ranger fan again ever since.

Well, save for a period from mid-Dino Thunder through to RPM. That was only due to it being run at crazy a.m. hours on Family here and my last VCR breaking, though.

I also kinda passed on Samurai, as the first episode we got just kinda missed the mark for me.

Backing up to Tommy's all-consuming popularity, this video does a good job of breaking down how the MMPR movie was basically "The Adventures of Tommy Oliver and his Five Sidekicks":


Ah, I saw that video! It's pretty good, and surprising as well.

They're also pretty fun in their own right. Carlos is the Turbo Ranger I have the least fondness for but TJ, Cassie, and Ashley are all great.

I think Ashley became my next hard Ranger crush after Kimberly. 😳

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I guess with the clever editing, it wasn't necessary, strictly speaking, but man, why didn't Saban commission some Zyu2 footage of these two facing off?

That whole thing left me unsatisfied, though. I don't think when people were talking about who would win between the Green Ranger and the White Ranger back in the day, "while Green is buffed even more and White is weakened considerably" was part of anyone's pitch.
 

LordGigaIce

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I guess with the clever editing, it wasn't necessary, strictly speaking, but man, why didn't Saban commission some Zyu2 footage of these two facing off?
It really amazes me how seat of their pants Power Rangers was as a production.
First, they burn through the Zyu footage but they're so certain that they can't change the Zyu suits because they're so popular.
So they commission Zyu2. Ok. They get the Z2 footage. Nice.

But then, despite now having that, they decide "we're going to adapt the Zord/sixth Ranger footage from Dairanger" which is like... ok then why did you commission the Z2 footage if you were going to do that?
But they paid for that footage so then they do some weird Frankenstein thing stapling the Z2 and Dairanger footage together.

My favourite bit about that, though, is that brief period where they were using Dairanger White Ranger footage but hadn't decided on committing to the Dairanger Zord footage for the main five yet, and they had these crazy concepts for a custom PR only Megazord using the Dinozords from Zyuranger combining with the Tigerzord from Dairanger.

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I think this show is partially so endearing to me because of their almost Jekyll and Hyde mentality of jumping between genuine ambition and utter cheapness, and usually landing in an awkward and unnecessary space between the two.
 

Sabrblade

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"The Return of the Green Ranger" 3-parter wasn't even originally supposed to be a thing. It was part of the string of late season 2 episodes that were produced while MMPR: The Movie was still being filmed.

The original plan was for the show to go on hiatus after the episode "A Reel Fish Story" (which I now realize I forgot was another Rocky-focused episode, and one of his better ones since he actually got to be a responsible role model who took charge of the situation during the crisis of that episode), and then return with the last few Season 2 episodes a few months later. That sorta happened, but the hiatus turned out to be longer than intended because of delays, reshoots, and other behind-the-scenes issues with the movie's production. The show was filmed in California, but the movie was filmed in Australia, so the hiatus was meant to let the cast fly from California to Australia to shoot the movie during that time. But because of the movie's production issues, when it came time for new episodes to resume production in California, the ranger actors (and Bulk and Skull) were still in Australia.

So, simultaneous to the ranger actors and Bulk and Skull filming for the movie, a run of several multi-part episodes were produced at the same time, in which the ranger actors and Bulk and Skull either made only miniscule appearances in, or only appeared in scenes shot without any other the other cast members (as in, they never appeared at the school, juice bar, or Command Center). These episodes were "Rangers Back in Time, Parts 1-2", "The Wedding, Parts 1-3", and "Return of the Green Ranger, Parts 1-3".

Based on the fact that Zedd and Rita are together in the movie, it's probably safe to assume that "The Wedding" was originally always supposed to exist, but probably didn't originally have the subplot of the rangers, Bulk, and Skull being on a school trip to Australia (Gee, I wonder why they were there?) and likely originally had more going on than just a padded-out plot of the rangers repeatedly fighting defeated monsters over and over again via stock footage and being trapped in an old theater while staying morphed (because their actors were still overseas at the time).

"Rangers Back in Time" barely has any scenes of the rangers unmorphed, and focused a lot more on them as children, in which they are played by child actors instead.

And then there's "Return of the Green Ranger". While there is a LOT of unmorphed footage of the rangers, and Bulk and Skull's actors appear, all of the new footage featuring them was shot on location in Australia. The scenes in the colonial past were particularly shot at Old Sydney Town, a now-closed heritage village.

After these episodes, everyone was back on the California shooting set beginning with the next episode, "Best Man for the Job".


But something else I'm trying to get at with this is that, by the time this string of multi-parters were made, MMPR had already used up all of the Zyu2 footage and most of the Dairanger mecha footage. "A Reel Fish Story" (the last new episode of Season 2 before the hiatus) had Zedd resurrect a bunch of old monsters that were destroyed previously because there wasn't enough usable footage of the final Dairanger monster, which did appear in the episode but only in giant form, because that was all of the footage of it that there was. The remaining episodes really scraped the bottom of the barrel for additional Dairanger footage that hadn't been used yet:
  • "Best Man for the Job" used no Sentai footage outside of stock Thunder Megazord and Tigerzord transformation and attack footage, since there was no monster of the day (it also used US-original footage between the two megazords fighting each other).
  • "Storybook Rangers, Parts 1-2" used badly rendered stilled images of Dairanger's villain character Shadam as Mondo the Magician, and an unused Dairanger fight against him with the Thunder Megazord, which they could only just barely get away with using since it was a fight scene where Shadam's face was covered by a mask. All other fight footage of his had his face exposed, which thus made it all unusable for MMPR.
  • "Wild West Rangers, Parts 1-2" used a Dairanger cactus monster that hadn't been adapted yet but had to shoot new footage of it since most of its Dairanger footage was as it disguised as a human, making only the mecha fight footage usable. Both this and "Storybook Rangers" were thus padded out with filler content to make both into double-length episodes with very little happening in them.
  • "Blue Ranger Gone Bad" focused on a clone of Billy instead of a monster of the day, up until the clone was destroyed and then one more unused Dairanger monster was adapted for mainly the megazord fight at the very end of the episode, using very little footage of it.
MMPR Season 2 had pretty much run the well dry of both Zyu2 and Dairanger footage by the time "Return of the Green Ranger" came about, so they didn't have any more unused footage of the Dragonzord and Tigerzord to use at that point. And they didn't commission any new footage of them fighting each other because this 3-part episode wasn't originally supposed to exist. They couldn't have foreseen beforehand the production issues with the movie that would later force them to create this episode as additional filler to stall for time.
 

Shadewing

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I've known for awhile Return of the Green Ranger was made due to the movie, and honestly for something they seemed to pull out of their ass last minute, was still a rather well done story. But Even after they returned it sounds like they were stalling for time with Storybook Rangers and Wild West Rangers being so threadbare and yet still being made in to two parters.
 

Sabrblade

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I've known for awhile Return of the Green Ranger was made due to the movie, and honestly for something they seemed to pull out of their ass last minute, was still a rather well done story. But Even after they returned it sounds like they were stalling for time with Storybook Rangers and Wild West Rangers being so threadbare and yet still being made in to two parters.
I feel like "Wild West Rangers" was also originally supposed to be the actual Season 2 finale but got swapped around with "Blue Ranger Gone Bad" in the broadcast schedule for no real good reason, as "Wild West Rangers" had the final production code numbers of the season.
 


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