Metroid

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
I believe that's the general take most people walk away with when they play the game.

I don't think most people really think much beyond "Time to go in here" or something along those lines when playing the game.

The issue with me is when I get to that door MY brain immediately, without prompting, goes: "This is the Emmi door where we'll have to do an annoying 'keep away' thing because if it touches us you are basically dead unless you get really lucky with the random timing of the counter, which we usually don't. Thus we'll likely have to do this a few times to get through it, and don't forget this is one of SEVERAL times we'll have to do this, it getting more annoying each time"

And yeah. I end up annoyed and exasperated.

Pretty sure most other people's brains don't do that.

When Caldwin here says the Metroid games are about isolation, my brain is basically (Again immediately with out prompt): But we are NOT isolated. We are on a chair in our room. Our roommates are just upstairs, we know there are neighbors all around us. We are not Samus, we are NOT on the screen, we don't understand why we would feel that isolation when these conditions could be applied to literally dozens upon dozens of games. The same conditions are can be met with several 8 and 16 bit side scrollers, several first person and third person games generally have just you trying to stop a threat. Why do those resonate differently?

Once this thought process is in place, it's hard to break away from it. I'd need information that would directly counter something in the thought process that lead me to my answer/opinion in the first place.
I don't know how to answer this other than to say effective media succeeds in building atmosphere that we're not necessarily privy to.

The whole appeal of scary movies to get scared even though we're in the safety of a movie theatre, our home, or a friend's home. The whole point of seeing an action movie is to feel a rush even though we're not jumping out of a plane or speeding down a highway. Games should aspire to do the same.
And this isn't some new AAA-centric approach where they all want games to be movies anyway, no. Games strove for atmosphere all the way back in the 8-bit days. And some of the best indy games with small budgets today will rely on atmosphere to carry the experience when budget restraints hold them back in other ways.

Hell, let's get out of the realm of visual media. Written stories have thrived by their ability to create atmosphere. I recently finished a book called It Came From Neverland, which was attempting to marry the Peter Pan mythos with Stephen King style horror. The plot is basic, but is carried by the author's ability to make you feel unsettled by Peter's lurking presence. I'm going to leave the examples at one because the number of written stories that succeed because of the author's ability to transport you to a different time and place through atmosphere are far too numerous to count.

If a game didn't care about this, it would just be a featureless series of hallways with a blank character icon and no music and they'd just want you to solve the puzzle.
The effort going into character design, level design, NPC and enemy design, music, even menu design and control scheming, is all meant to put you in a certain mood.

"But I'm not isolated in an abandoned space station/mine/whatever."

Yeah, and I'm not really at Camp Crystal Lake, but I still marathon the first six Friday the Thirteenth movies every year because they're effective at setting that tone and mood.
 

Videomaster21XX

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What I'm basically trying to say is that right there, the tone and mood you get from watching the Friday the 13th movies? That's not something that happens with me.

I'm not trying to say you are doing it wrong or something silly like that. I'm trying to get across that I can't relate to those kind of things.

You get a sense of something watching those slasher movies that I just never will. I'm not trying to put down how Caldwin feels about the Metroid franchise, but it's something that I will never be able to really understand. That's just not how my brain works.

When it comes to media, the thing I latch on to the most are the characters. How they feel, how they react, are they reacting in a way that makes sense given the world they are in.

I don't tend to watch slasher films because the basic idea I feel is the people who made the movie want you to fall in love with the monster and enjoy seeing it kill a bunch of usually unlikable people, for the exception of usually just the survivor. Who I believe is usually a female, hence the 'final girl' trope.

See I don't want, nor can I, connect to the monster. I want to see Jason get his butt kicked. That's obviously not the point of those movies. So there is nothing for me. I don't tend to enjoy any of the characters, which I believe is by design, and I don't want to follow Jason taking them all out.

Metroid Prime 4 works so well for me because I can get the feeling of isolation and just what that can do to someone via all the NPCs you meet and talk with. For me, this just adds to the experience.

I would never be able to get that from just Samus. Playing through the other Metroid games is just: "Go here, do thing, get item, go here now, fight boss" etc. It's just the gameplay is really fun, so I love the Metroid series. I play it because I enjoy Samus's design, and the design of the world, and it has great gameplay.

If I can bring up Resident Evil for a second. The only reason I had the fun I did in RE7 was because I did the entire thing in VR. That added just enough depth to making me almost feel I was there that I was able to play through it. Otherwise I honestly consider it to be one of the weakest entries in the series.
 

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
*snipped for space*
There are three things at play here.
The first is pretty simple. If mood and atmosphere is just not something you can connect to in media then... ok. Not saying you're wrong but I am saying that others can.

As to the second thing? Well I think there's something of a false binary here. This isn't an "atmosphere vs character" thing. Doesn't have to be, and I don't think anyone else was trying to imply that to be the case.
One can enjoy attempts at crafting atmosphere and also enjoy good character work. These are not mutually exclusive options.

On the third thing... I just brought up Friday the 13th as an example of visual media that is effective at crafting tone. It wasn't meant to be much deeper than that.
 

Caldwin

Banned for posting Metroid's flesh doors
Citizen
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I saw this at Barnes & Noble, decided I needed to wait until payday, and then ordered it first thing payday. Very nice.It's about time Metroid started getting this kind of love.
 

Shadewing

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There are three things at play here.
The first is pretty simple. If mood and atmosphere is just not something you can connect to in media then... ok. Not saying you're wrong but I am saying that others can.

As to the second thing? Well I think there's something of a false binary here. This isn't an "atmosphere vs character" thing. Doesn't have to be, and I don't think anyone else was trying to imply that to be the case.
One can enjoy attempts at crafting atmosphere and also enjoy good character work. These are not mutually exclusive options.

On the third thing... I just brought up Friday the 13th as an example of visual media that is effective at crafting tone. It wasn't meant to be much deeper than that.

So you're saying its just not that deep, bro? :p
 

Videomaster21XX

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Citizen
The first is pretty simple. If mood and atmosphere is just not something you can connect to in media then... ok. Not saying you're wrong but I am saying that others can.

As to the second thing? Well I think there's something of a false binary here. This isn't an "atmosphere vs character" thing. Doesn't have to be, and I don't think anyone else was trying to imply that to be the case.
Of course others can?

Why are you bringing that up? What is it that you think I'm trying to say?
 

Videomaster21XX

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Citizen
From my perspective, all I was doing was trying to give context as to why I personally feel what I feel, and why I have the reactions that I do.

Nothing else. I'm not telling you how YOU need to feel about it, just trying to give some insight on how we are seeing it differently.

My inability to get these feelings you get from the atmosphere is likely why I can't stand the Emmis. I believe the idea is you are supposed to feel 'dread' before going in the room. You are supposed to feel that panic of them hunting you down and such, but because how my brain works. I can only focus on the mechanics of that gameplay. Which in my opinion suck.

In short, part of me REALLY wishes I could understand what it is you see and feel, but I doubt it's possible.
 

The Predaking

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Has anyone seen the price of Metroid Dread lately? It's skyrocketed over $100 now that I want to go back and check it out.
 

Caldwin

Banned for posting Metroid's flesh doors
Citizen
Yikes! Glad .I reserved it when I did. Are these EBay scalpers?
 

Daith

I’m not dead yet!
Citizen
And that's Dread, not Ravenous. Seems interest got the scalpers to buy whatever copies were left and jack the prices up. Pretty sure those are all third party sales. Walmart, Target and Amazon aren't going to jack the price up like that themselves.
 

Caldwin

Banned for posting Metroid's flesh doors
Citizen
*Reads again*

Oh! Dread! Whew! I was worried for a second.
Well that actually makes sense. Dread is out of print and (amazingly) got a boost in popularity (probably because of Ravenous). That's just simple supply/demand.

Good news is (even coming from someone who's pissed at Sony and has a renewed interest in physical)...you can still get it digitally for $60 if you just want to play the game.
 

ZakuConvoy

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Did you check any physical stores, or just online? Because I checked my local Walmart and they still had some in stock for the regular price. This just might be a online problem.
 

The Predaking

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Did you check any physical stores, or just online? Because I checked my local Walmart and they still had some in stock for the regular price. This just might be a online problem.
I was just checking online. I will hit up some stores and see if I can find a copy.
 
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