Hasbr-uh-oh - Business and Tariffs Discussion

Steevy Maximus

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I’m not sure the end of de minimis is the problem, itself. It’s the half-cocked, arbitrary, process by which this is all being implemented. The rules for these vast, global, interactions are being changed every few weeks, and international sellers are not going to continue “business as usual” until they what “usual” is supposed to be.
And that’s before trying to get the US’s half assed, often barely functional, domestic shipping providers all on board with systems on trying to collect on these new tariffs.
 

lastmaximal

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Both are problems, to varying degrees, and they're going to have (or are having) the expected effects. Costs are being felt by buyers, and the more that becomes a factor the more of a chilling effect that'll have.

But the bigger issue at the moment is logistics. Even if people could afford to still buy things (or the number bowing out was offset by the number of people still in), the slipshod way this is being implemented is going to create more trouble than these services are willing to navigate, so they're putting the service on pause until that gets sorted out. And if they're not on board, it makes much less of a difference how many people are still willing to put up with the steeply rising costs for their goods.
 

Autobus Prime

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I’m not sure the end of de minimis is the problem, itself. It’s the half-cocked, arbitrary, process by which this is all being implemented. The rules for these vast, global, interactions are being changed every few weeks, and international sellers are not going to continue “business as usual” until they what “usual” is supposed to be.
And that’s before trying to get the US’s half assed, often barely functional, domestic shipping providers all on board with systems on trying to collect on these new tariffs.
Oh it's been chaotic, no doubt. It probably was always going to be, when tariffs got reintroduced as a major factor. Which, given the rise of AI and robots, was inevitable.

I'm not of the opinion that AI and robots will eliminate all jobs and therefore all taxable income ... but the possibility is not absent. But even in the most optimistic scenario that these new tools simply increase our productivity and eliminate scarcity, we will end up with massive created value that isn't captured as personal income. Government is likely to grow, not shrink, especially if UBI is needed for permanently displaced workers....so how to pay?

In the long run I can see only two options. Either tax the producers at such a high rate it's effectively nationalization, or tax consumption via tariffs. Increased productivity is going to drive trade increases, tariffs or none.

To an extent I think it is quietly seen as a convenience by some in the more liberal, free trade camp, that a chaotic populist is doing their experimentation for them. What succeeds, they'll keep as their template. What fails, they don't get blamed for. Watch and see what they do in the next decade...
 

blueskyscribe

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Please keep abreast of the de minimis rules, because some of them state that the importer may pay between $80 to $200 per item. I'm not sure if "an item" refers to the parcel as a whole or to every individual thing inside the package. Alternatively some packages will pay a percentage (the tariff amount?) instead. However from what I've read you, the importer, do not get to choose which you will pay. This applies to all countries, not just China. This rule went into effect on August 29, 2025.
 


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