It had some interesting ideas…but I was left, largely, as “meh”.
Andor Season 2 is REALLY good, as political/spy thriller series. Especially in light of current events, it hits REALLY hard. I think there is argument to be made it is among the better “overall” Star Wars series, even if I do enjoy the wacky fun of Mandalorian.
But I have a soft spot for Skeleton Crew. It has its flaws, but it really leans into being FUN in ways a lot of recent Star Wars is afraid to. Definitely channeling those old “Amblin” vibes with the kids being caught up in galactic misadventures with space pirates.
It had some interesting ideas…but I was left, largely, as “meh”.
Andor Season 2 is REALLY good, as political/spy thriller series. Especially in light of current events, it hits REALLY hard. I think there is argument to be made it is among the better “overall” Star Wars series, even if I do enjoy the wacky fun of Mandalorian.
But I have a soft spot for Skeleton Crew. It has its flaws, but it really leans into being FUN in ways a lot of recent Star Wars is afraid to. Definitely channeling those old “Amblin” vibes with the kids being caught up in galactic misadventures with space pirates.
I like that they're letting Star Wars be a lot of different things right now. "Star Wars" doesn't have to be a specific tone. It can be a setting, with a ton of different types of stories being told that take place in that same galaxy. You can have your adult-oriented political spy thriller like Andor, a kids Space Pirate adventure, a family Lone Wolf and Cub type story. It's a galaxy with trillions (quadrillions? who knows?) different people in it, spread across countless planets with different cultures and feels. We don't have to keep seeing the same story over and over. The sky is the limit.
It really is the best Star Wars has been. I'm still 2 episodes from being done (we're slow to watch tv), but it really is so, so good. I would love to see this level of writing and production be a reoccurring thing for Star Wars shows. I'm not at all opposed to the "dumber but fun" Star Wars existing alongside it, I love watching Grogu get into mischief as much as the next guy, but yeah, keep the good stuff coming, too.
Give us an Andor quality show about a conscripted-against-his-will low level Imperial officer trying to make his way in a post-Empire galaxy, or a series about a team of New Republic diplomats trying to restore diplomatic relations with the Hutts and the Twilek, or a "sword-and-sandal" epic set in the days of the Old Republic. I'd watch 'em (slowly.)
The Geonosians designed something that looked like the Death Star and at the end of Episode 3, they are building something that appears to be the Death Star and it appears to be not long after the rest of the movie. Rogue One and Andor are at least somewhat disruptive of this this notion. If the Geonosians did not know how to power it or where to get enough Kalkite and also didn't know how to make the weapon work, which no one but Galen Erso could seem to manage, what did they actually do? Just suggest that a big moon sized station was possible? Anyone could have done that.
I saw a picture on Facebook that might have meant to imply something and if it didn't mean to imply it I still want to think about it. Maybe what the Geonosians designed and was almost built at the end of the Clone War was actually a much smaller one and not the Death Star at all.
Edit - Well I now find that this has been explored in side stories. It was the Death Star Prototype.
The non-chronological storytelling was one of the worst parts of that show. The writers using it as a crutch to set up pretty much every plot "twist" just made the whole thing a mess.
I can see why this show got a lot of hate, but I still enjoyed it.
So a decade or more ago, we have 4 Jedi looking for a convergence in the force on this once dead forest world. They find these night sisters, going with that term over force cult or witches, and they are training twin girls, Mae and Osha, that the night sisters made themselves. Osha wants to be a Jedi but Mae doesn't. Mae locks everyone in and starts a fire, the Jedi master Sol, for some reason, kills the head night sister, and then the rest of the night sisters spontaneously die after Innara shows up to exorcise the Wookie Jedi from their control. Sol can't save both girls from falling off a platform that is collapsing, and Sol chooses to save Osha. Mae falls to her presumed death but gets sucked into an exhaust chute and lands outside the mountain fortress.
So we get totally not Sheev, nope definitely not a young Palpatine, running around as a former jedi padawan of the green jedi, wearing a mask that disrupts lightsabers and the force. He somehow found Mae on her world after she got sucked out the exhaust tube, and trained her for a decade or more before sending her to fight Jedi. He is especially fixated on killing one without a weapon. He wears a mask the whole time to hide his identity. He sends along with her a helper that flies her around to find the jedi and help with logistics. (Spoiler alert: He is really her master, and they give it away in his second scene on screen.) Mae is after the four Jedi that were responsible for the death of her family.
She kills Innara in the opening scene, so pretty much all of Carie Ann Moss is in the many flashback episodes the show uses. Then Mae convinces the second Jedi to take poison to earn her forgiveness, and off they go for the third Jedi, the Wookie one who is on a forest world living in exile/retirement?
The Jedi send a strike team along with master Sol and Osha to stop them from killing the Wookie Jedi. However, Mae and her logistics friend are already there. She traps her friend right outside the wookie's house and tells him that now she knows Osha is alive, that she is going to turn herself and the other two jedi in, and let them know about her master. She runs off, only to find that the Wookie Jedi has already been killed, and just then the Jedi surround his house. However, her master shows up and fights the Jedi. He kills six of them fairly quickly. Pretty much all of the unnamed Jedi die within 2 minutes. Mask comes off, surprise surprise , it's the logistics guy. He was her master the entire time. So shocked. So surprised.
Yada yada, he kills Sol's new Padawan by disconnecting the bottom of his lightsaber into a short saber and stabs her three times with it, then he snaps Osha's old friend's neck, and gets attacked by the local wildlife. Mae and Osha have this confrontation, Mae switches clothes with Osha and leaves her there, and goes with Master Sol back to their ship. He figures it out quickly, tells her what happened all those years ago. Meanwhile not Sheev takes Osha back to his island planet that is totally not the same one from the Last Jedi, and tries to tempt her into being his new acolyte. It doesn't really work and they leave to go find Mae and Sol after Osha has a vision about them. We see Darth Plageus in the shadows as they leave.
Mae and Osha fight to a draw. Sol beats the crap out of not Sheev, but is stopped by Mae, who turns Sol's lightsaber red and force chokes Sol to death. Just then the Jedi strike team arrives and everyone flees. Green Jedi recognizes her old pupil's presence. Mae and Osha go back to their old tree in the woods where they make a deal Not Sheev erases Mae's memories and Osha will train with him. The jedi recover Mae who has no memories since she was 8 and doesn't remember Osha at all. Green Jedi pins all the blame on her friend Sol, as she is under political pressure to find the Jedi killer. Tells Mae that she wants to use her to find her old padawan. Then we get a cut to her going to talk to Master Yoda.
The story is a bit meh with some issues. Like Torbin feeling so guilty about the night sisters is weird since they were trying to kill the Jedi. Sol was definitely my favorite character out of this show, and he goes out in a lame way at the end. Also, I really wished that they would have called him Sheev or have him intro Osha to his master, or something. I guess that was going to be in season 2 that will not happen. That is fine with me, I don't care for Osha or Mae, nor the green Jedi, so the rest of the story is pretty much done. I think there is a scene where they show us Count Dooku training jedi in Lightsaber combat. As it kind of looks like a younger version of him and he is talking about dueling in a way that makes sense for his style. Speaking of which, the lightsaber duels here are very well done, and really shows off not Sheev's abilities very well.
Overall, I would give this show a strong three out of five.
I can see why this show got a lot of hate, but I still enjoyed it.
So a decade or more ago, we have 4 Jedi looking for a convergence in the force on this once dead forest world. They find these night sisters, going with that term over force cult or witches, and they are training twin girls, Mae and Osha, that the night sisters made themselves. Osha wants to be a Jedi but Mae doesn't. Mae locks everyone in and starts a fire, the Jedi master Sol, for some reason, kills the head night sister, and then the rest of the night sisters spontaneously die after Innara shows up to exorcise the Wookie Jedi from their control. Sol can't save both girls from falling off a platform that is collapsing, and Sol chooses to save Osha. Mae falls to her presumed death but gets sucked into an exhaust chute and lands outside the mountain fortress.
So we get totally not Sheev, nope definitely not a young Palpatine, running around as a former jedi padawan of the green jedi, wearing a mask that disrupts lightsabers and the force. He somehow found Mae on her world after she got sucked out the exhaust tube, and trained her for a decade or more before sending her to fight Jedi. He is especially fixated on killing one without a weapon. He wears a mask the whole time to hide his identity. He sends along with her a helper that flies her around to find the jedi and help with logistics. (Spoiler alert: He is really her master, and they give it away in his second scene on screen.) Mae is after the four Jedi that were responsible for the death of her family.
She kills Innara in the opening scene, so pretty much all of Carie Ann Moss is in the many flashback episodes the show uses. Then Mae convinces the second Jedi to take poison to earn her forgiveness, and off they go for the third Jedi, the Wookie one who is on a forest world living in exile/retirement?
The Jedi send a strike team along with master Sol and Osha to stop them from killing the Wookie Jedi. However, Mae and her logistics friend are already there. She traps her friend right outside the wookie's house and tells him that now she knows Osha is alive, that she is going to turn herself and the other two jedi in, and let them know about her master. She runs off, only to find that the Wookie Jedi has already been killed, and just then the Jedi surround his house. However, her master shows up and fights the Jedi. He kills six of them fairly quickly. Pretty much all of the unnamed Jedi die within 2 minutes. Mask comes off, surprise surprise , it's the logistics guy. He was her master the entire time. So shocked. So surprised.
Yada yada, he kills Sol's new Padawan by disconnecting the bottom of his lightsaber into a short saber and stabs her three times with it, then he snaps Osha's old friend's neck, and gets attacked by the local wildlife. Mae and Osha have this confrontation, Mae switches clothes with Osha and leaves her there, and goes with Master Sol back to their ship. He figures it out quickly, tells her what happened all those years ago. Meanwhile not Sheev takes Osha back to his island planet that is totally not the same one from the Last Jedi, and tries to tempt her into being his new acolyte. It doesn't really work and they leave to go find Mae and Sol after Osha has a vision about them. We see Darth Plageus in the shadows as they leave.
Mae and Osha fight to a draw. Sol beats the crap out of not Sheev, but is stopped by Mae, who turns Sol's lightsaber red and force chokes Sol to death. Just then the Jedi strike team arrives and everyone flees. Green Jedi recognizes her old pupil's presence. Mae and Osha go back to their old tree in the woods where they make a deal Not Sheev erases Mae's memories and Osha will train with him. The jedi recover Mae who has no memories since she was 8 and doesn't remember Osha at all. Green Jedi pins all the blame on her friend Sol, as she is under political pressure to find the Jedi killer. Tells Mae that she wants to use her to find her old padawan. Then we get a cut to her going to talk to Master Yoda.
The story is a bit meh with some issues. Like Torbin feeling so guilty about the night sisters is weird since they were trying to kill the Jedi. Sol was definitely my favorite character out of this show, and he goes out in a lame way at the end. Also, I really wished that they would have called him Sheev or have him intro Osha to his master, or something. I guess that was going to be in season 2 that will not happen. That is fine with me, I don't care for Osha or Mae, nor the green Jedi, so the rest of the story is pretty much done. I think there is a scene where they show us Count Dooku training jedi in Lightsaber combat. As it kind of looks like a younger version of him and he is talking about dueling in a way that makes sense for his style. Speaking of which, the lightsaber duels here are very well done, and really shows off not Sheev's abilities very well.
Overall, I would give this show a strong three out of five.
The show really did suffer from Sol being about the only interesting and likeable character. Yord was ok some of the time, and fake Qimir was entertaining.
The multiple points of view thing, had some potential, but was poorly executed imo, with the Jedi being overly villainized.
Jedi pov should have been giving a child a way out of a "cult" they didn't want to be in.
Night Sisters pov should have been Jedi coming in to brain wash and steal their child.
It would have been far more affecting, if when viewed from either side you felt they where morally justified and reasonable, maybe that WAS their goal, but it didn't come across well.
I remain unconvinced, for a bunch of reasons. That said, I can't completely disprove it. It just doesn't mesh terribly well with what's known elsewhere.
I remain unconvinced, for a bunch of reasons. That said, I can't completely disprove it. It just doesn't mesh terribly well with what's known elsewhere.
Well, the timelines line up, if that was Dooku training Jedi, and that was DP in the cave. Suddenly Sheev tells his master about how Life can be created through the Force.......
Well, the timelines line up, if that was Dooku training Jedi, and that was DP in the cave. Suddenly Sheev tells his master about how Life can be created through the Force.......
The timelines do not line up. It is much too early. And Qimir is Filipino.... Sheev Palpatine is a wealthy white guy from a prominent family on Naboo.
I guess you are thinking it has to be because you saw Darth Plagueis, but Plagueis is either from a long-lived species or kept himself alive a long time. He would have taken an apprentice as soon as he killed Darth Tenebrous regardless because they are very useful. We don't even know if Qimir was his first apprentice, but I'd say Palpatine was at least his third. They kept living out their natural lives and dying without surpassing his power.
It is also appropriate how you say it is definitely not Ahch-To, because it indeed definitely isn't. The show doesn't name the planet, but the producers say it isn't Ahch-To. In the EU, Darth Tenebrous found out that ocean planet with tropical islands named Bal'demnic was rich in Cortosis. He went there with Darth Plagueis who killed him there and then got the mineral rights to the planet. The EU has been swept away, but the restore things from time to time. I'd be pretty confident it is Bal'demnic.
But Qimir brought some information with Osha and it is likely the Plagueis studied Osha to find out about her. Personally, I would like the canon to establish that the bad guys DID NOT create Anakin. It hasn't been said so on screen and the EU was wiped away. But I believe, anyway, that this is what they were getting at.
Go back now and watch the council scene in Episode 1. The DVD version or Disney+ version with CGI Yoda. I think the scene will look different to you now. It wasn't intended this way to begin with, but after watching Acolyte I think you will see that there is a lot of lying and hiding going on in that scene.
I guess you are thinking it has to be because you saw Darth Plagueis, but Plagueis is either from a long-lived species or kept himself alive a long time. He would have taken an apprentice as soon as he killed Darth Tenebrous regardless because they are very useful. We don't even know if Qimir was his first apprentice, but I'd say Palpatine was at least his third. They kept living out their natural lives and dying without surpassing his power.
It is also appropriate how you say it is definitely not Ahch-To, because it indeed definitely isn't. The show doesn't name the planet, but the producers say it isn't Ahch-To. In the EU, Darth Tenebrous found out that ocean planet with tropical islands named Bal'demnic was rich in Cortosis. He went there with Darth Plagueis who killed him there and then got the mineral rights to the planet. The EU has been swept away, but the restore things from time to time. I'd be pretty confident it is Bal'demnic.
Darth Plagueis (pronounced /'pleɪɡ.əs/) was a Muun Dark Lord of the Sith who trained "the Stranger" and Darth Sidious. Plagueis lusted for immortality, believing the secret lay in science. To that end, he researched bioengineering with Sidious and experimented with his ability to influence the...
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