So I recently learned something about myself...

I can see the error too. My brain is just willing to go all Pepe Silvia until I have a solution that fills in the gap.

We all have things our brains do that annoy us. I wish I could lower my anxiety and get my brain to stop thinking of worst case scenarios/get it to shut up even if I'm trying to distract myself.

Destron D-69 said:

You might just have to come to terms with people without data based braining being in creative control of things you watch, and learn to cut them some slack then.

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Just a quick bit, but I do cut them some slack on this particular instance for Made in Manehatten. I'm pretty sure most of my aggravation was coming from people trying to tell me it's 'just how it works' or 'It's not worth focusing on/bringging up' because those are NOT options I have.

My brain isn't going to accept either. I understand perfectly that the writers simply overlooked it. I understand perfectly (especially now) that they might not have even noticed it, and I understand perfectly to most people this minor little detail isn't going to be important to most watching it.

The thing is. None of that changes the fact that it doesn't make much logical or narrative sense. So... it's still going to get pointed out to me.

Then imagine you get people trying to tell you how minor a thing it is when your brain does this. I've often wanted to scream "How in the bleep am I supposed to DO that huh?"

Certainly confirms what must be happening when I dream. It's so ironic too. My brain can't properly mimic things like air pressure, or atmospheric sound. And yet BECAUSE of how it is, it points that out to itself and immediately concludes that I'm dreaming.

And yeah, that's probably the reason I mostly lucid dream.

No worries buddy, like Med mentioned, we've all got our little idiosyncratic personality ...uniquenesses. lol. I didn't want to re-litigate a decade old fim episode debate again so deeply, but it was the only example of your brainism I could really speak to. Point being, it is good to know that it has helped... after a fashion... at least. My brainism is mild dpd, and that tends to manifest with me trying to be who people need me to be... I just meet a lot of people who don't have an "oh its this asshole again" in their lives apparently. XD...

I genuinely wasn't trying to upset you. Just point out, that we on the outside are always going to be on the losing side of this fight with your brain... when it holds all the cards regarding what data it will accept... especially in cases where the data it does want... doesn't exist.

This kinda makes me think of my mom- she likes things a certain way (eg cleaning/minimalism) and cannot comprehend that I do not like those things the same way. When I try to explain, she just ends up lecturing me again on how wrong I am.

Video, at least you're able to recognize what your brain is doing and making an effort.

I hope so.

The main problem I know I'm having here that my brain is clashing with. Well let me give this example. Destorn you said this:

Destron D-69 said:

A. Stating that a random thing you thought of, that didn't happen, but you think should have... is not an actual problem with the episode.
B. People telling you that obviously there are ooc reasons for it, not being a good enough answer for you... is also not an actual problem with the episode.
C. The episode, is not asking you to fix it, plot holes are not that bad... and this isn't even a plot hole.. because what you think should have happened is extremely tangential to the plot... this isn't really evan an applejack episode.

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Okay so A. Random thing I thought of. I can possibly give you that, but to me like I said it seems pretty obvious how it doesn't make sense narratively or logically. And "it's not an actual problem with the episode."

But like... WHY isn't it a problem? I've given the work on my side on why it seems like a problem. But I'm not seeing a reason here on why not. So my brain is just kinda going. "We don't understand why you are telling us this. You are making a statement without anything to back it up."

B. I can see what you are saying, but to me, just because there is an ooc reason for why a thing happened doesn't actually change the fact that as far as I can tell it's still an error.

Like most of us noticed back in season one for the Grand Galloping Gala episode, how that one stallion became a cyclops for a split second. Minor animation error. Most probably didn't notice it. However if I said: "That's an animation error" I wouldn't have people arguing with me that it was in fact NOT an animation error.

C. I know the episode isn't asking me to fix it, and I know we can't fix the error. I can even accept that 'Plot hole' might be a strong way to say it. "Narrative error" might be better phrasing. I can't even really see what I'm doing as tangential as you say.

Because at the end of the day, my brain has settled that it's an error based on a list of information it's gathered. Info based around logic and probability. Everything seems to check out.

I'm being told "But it's not something wrong" and not being given any reasons on WHY it's not. The best I seem to be able to conclude is basically: "Most people aren't going to care" Which is fine and all, but that doesn't magically change the fact that it's clearly an error. At least based on current information.

So I get all worked up and frustrated, because I keep being told. "But it's NOT a mistake!" Without any information on WHY everyone doesn't think it's a mistake, and my brain starts trying to figure out what they mean. What info did we miss? Is there an observation that we overlooked? WHY WHY WHY.

Before I knew what was up, my conclusion was I wasn't giving the right information to YOU. That's why I'd start giving examples of things, and repeat things over and over, because my brain figured your brain was just overlooking the obvious data point we had and if you had it. It'd click and you'd realize what we were saying, and could properly argue the point back.

Except I guess to you guys there isn't any info missing. I can't really put what you think into words, because the way you see and process the world is so incredibly different then how my brain works I don't think I'll ever comprehend it.

I guess the main point I want to make is that for my brain. If it looks at something, has the data to back it up, and has no data that in fact proves what it's saying is wrong. Then it, and I just can't comprehend how we are WRONG when all the data we have appears to be RIGHT.

Please bear with me, because knowing what seems to be the problem is one thing. I'm not entirely confident I'm going to be able to adjust to it right away though.

Trust me, I understand what you're saying. Most people's brains can do this, you just don't seem to be able to turn it off, or adjust the volume... yeah that seems like a more accurate analogy. Personally speaking when I read your list of factual evidence that for you proves to you that there was an "error in long form character consistent narrative". I can see that and say yes I agree with you on the level that:
Were Applejack an actual living creature she would not fail to be consistent in her character without significant external stimulus. however, my brain has this big ass volume dial that i turn down and it lets me think things like. A, she isn't real and is being written over time by a collection of flawed an fallible people. B, the episode isn't about her... so it can justify spending the screen time elsewhere. C, events in this fictional world are not stagnant, 'stuff happens in the margins' one might say... and perhaps if you want to you can imagine at one point when she wasn't in a scene maybe she ran off and called her aunt, but they weren't home and that's why they didn't come help or why she doesn't mention doing it, because doing so wouldn't be productive in any way.

And then I just accept that, sometimes you have to provide your own mental self-care. Then I turn that volume dial back up to see if my brain is still chattering away at me like it wasn't paying attention... sometime it wasn't and I try to think of more things like.
D. The writer just didn't think about it even being a potential problem. E. Maybe this is a subtle rarjack shipping thing, and she needs to do this for rarity for smoochy yuri horse reasons. F. Yeah it for sure is E.

lol that got away from me at the end there. Point is, I understand where you're coming from. I'm just not willing to compromise my reality enough to lie and agree that you are correct about the scope of this issue.. because to me that feels a little condescending... like I'd be patting you on the head like you would a little kid and saying "good job timmy you found the thing and now the episode is forever ruined for me too... what were those writers even thinking?"...
And I Don't want to do that.

Destron D-69 said:

A, she isn't real and is being written over time by a collection of flawed an fallible people. B, the episode isn't about her... so it can justify spending the screen time elsewhere. C, events in this fictional world are not stagnant, 'stuff happens in the margins' one might say... and perhaps if you want to you can imagine at one point when she wasn't in a scene maybe she ran off and called her aunt, but they weren't home and that's why they didn't come help or why she doesn't mention doing it, because doing so wouldn't be productive in any way.

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Yep I wish I had that volume control.

Here's what goes on in MY brain!
"Hey brain, look at line A."
Brain: Yes that's obvious. However, this does not change the fact that it should have been addressed. Therefore an error.

"Uh B?"

Brain: You say that like it means something. It not being about Applejack does NOT change the fact that this is an error you should be aware of. It not being focused on her, as we pointed out earlier only ADDS to the reasons this should have been addressed. Because it's not a problem the writers are trying to show her deal with. Therefore an oversight, and thus error. If we are not focused on Applejack, why have her make this error at all?

Brain: And before you say it, we are very well aware it was a simple oversight, and 'D' the writers didn't think it would be a big problem. Hell I'm sure most don't. However at the end of the day, or after all it said. It still doesn't really make logical sense for Applejack to have acted this way. Thus, say it with me now, an error.

C: This honestly is the only logical answer we can really come up with. She must have done something off screen. We feel this messes with the narrative personally. However we are very much aware of how minor an issue it is to others. We don't feel that means you should just overlook this though.

E. Hey it could be. Doesn't change the fact that Rarity should know Applejack enough to ask why she didn't call family though.

It's such a minor thing to most people, but it sticks out so strongly to me.

Why? Because you wouldn't see this mistake in a show like Avatar the Last Airbender, or Gravity Falls. Heck in Gravity Falls for the Sock Puppet Theater episode, The commentary has Alex Hirsch talking about how they worked on the plot of the episode over and over because they HAD to find the right balance of events that would make having Dipper make a deal with Bill Cipher believable.

The results of such care in crafting the world and characters are shows considered masterpieces by most who watch them.

I only wish the same care was put into Pony.

In the end that one little point about Applejack's error sticks with me because deep down I just feel that you should look out for those little points and correct them when you can. I can't fix this episode, but when I create things. I can remember how this didn't flow properly, and make sure I don't do the same.

It helps I just find working out a logical solution to such things well, rather easy and fun. It's why I love to write.

I'm not out to ruin the episode for anyone. This little glitch doesn't ruin it for me. I perfectly understand that people will consider it minor.

I'm just trying to spell out the reason I see it in the first place, and my frustration comes from people trying to tell me to ignore it, or trying to convince me it's not worth noting. Because that isn't a mindset I'm able to take.

And well since I see no cons and only pros to keeping little things like this in mind when it comes to storytelling. That's basically all she wrote.

You are allowed to interpret and enjoy this episode in anyway you want. Just... don't tell me to think differently about it unless you can give me a logical reason as to why I should.

The problem here is, these are logical reasons. You're just choosing an illogical reason to ignore them. "My brain doesn't like those." To which you can say to any argument given. So while you get frustrated because people end up telling you this thing you're focused on isn't a big deal is because they're frustrated that nothing they say will ever work, because you're actually only going to be satisfied by some sort of magic recon of reality that ends up with the episode rewritten the way you want it. So it's an exercise in frustration for all of us.