Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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FB friend:

The plot of Mission Impossible (1996) was all about someone trying to steal a top-secret list of intelligence agents. Tom Cruise had to crawl through an air duct, drop through a laser-grid, and hang from the ceiling in a temperature-controlled super-sensitive facility to get those files. And for this, he became the most wanted man in the world, with the full resources of the CIA engaged in a global manhunt to track him down.

In 2021, Donald Trump did the same thing by simply walking out of the White House with boxes of documents. And then the government politely asked him to give them back, whereupon he just ... chose not to. And his supporters actually think it was wrong for the government to come in and take them by force.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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I will say, even with my faith in humanity at its most withered state, if Trump actually flees the country under explicit threat of arrest for federal crimes and tries to still run for president from Argentina or whatever, I do expect the Republican Party leadership will draw a hard line there and refuse to let him. Whether by most states blocking him from even being on the primary ballot, or the convention refusing to count his votes, or both. And that's assuming it's even up to them in the first place; there might be actual laws in place preventing him from being on the ballot at that point.
 

KidTDragon

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I will say, even with my faith in humanity at its most withered state, if Trump actually flees the country under explicit threat of arrest for federal crimes and tries to still run for president from Argentina or whatever, I do expect the Republican Party leadership will draw a hard line there and refuse to let him. Whether by most states blocking him from even being on the primary ballot, or the convention refusing to count his votes, or both. And that's assuming it's even up to them in the first place; there might be actual laws in place preventing him from being on the ballot at that point.
I wish I had your optimism.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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Rust

Slightly Off
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All I'm saying is Bill Barr, before getting the hell out of the firing lane, reinstated Federal Executions.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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I've always wondered why the Democrats don't hire comedy writers to punch up their speeches and social media posts with sick burns. Just look at their output on late night talk shows.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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Probably because those comedians are too busy actually informing the population about whats going on.
 

Tuxedo Prime

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Probably because those comedians are too busy actually informing the population about whats going on.
As he keeps saying, no-one was more surprised than Jon Stewart to find out he somehow became the Most Trusted Name In News during the Bush-the-Lesser maladministration.

He didn't exactly view it as a good thing, either.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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And rightly so. When you're satirists are considered a better news sources than your journalists, you have a MAJOR problem.
 

CoffeeHorse

Hanging in there
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It wasn't a good thing, and I think it's had some unhealthy effects long term. He did comedy. The depth of information you got on any topic wasn't great. His advantage over actual news shows was that comedy is rapid, so he at least touched lot of topics per episode, and he wasn't afraid to name names. If you watched his show, you probably could have named more politicians than someone who only watched FOX or CNN. He didn't get distracted by the presidency. He would roast some congressman if they needed it. That was good. But it didn't make you an expert on complicated issues.

But it wasn't his job. He made a point of going on news shows, and inviting news hosts to his show, to literally beg them to do their jobs. They obviously didn't listen.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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FB friend:

When you see people on FOXNews saying that it's not illegal when the president does it, one wonders if the last half-century of Republican policy has been one long campaign to make sure that the next time the GOP pulled a Nixon, they would get away with it.
 

Steevy Maximus

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We (as in the Left) were desperately banking on Humanity's better natures to see us through.

COVID ripped the mask away, for better and for worse.
I’d argue the mask was pretty much in tatters after Donald Trump managed to get on the ballet for Presidency after insulting a handicapped reporter, disparaged a Gold Star family, and bragged how he could just grab women by the *****. Not to mention somehow convincing millions he was a “great business man” after more than half a dozen bankruptcies (including a goddamn casino!).

COVID just allowed for the dropping of any pretenses at that point.
 

Rust

Slightly Off
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This is hardly surprising behavior. Remember he just casually dropped extremely sensitive info when talking to Russian officials which necessitated the evacuation of one of our top assets out of Russia.

As much as I loathe the man, I legit don't believe he even does it maliciously. Donald Trump's the kind of guy who will cling to anything that makes him important/in the know, and doesn't have the brain activity to understand that sensitive information even out of context is still sensitive information. Much like the phone interview I had recently in which the interviewer casually drops "I'm in Boston traffic helping opening yadda yadda", it's just a way to inflate their own self importance.

Also he strikes me as the type of man who makes damn sure to take the real incriminating stuff that can't just be casually destroyed with him EVERYWHERE. Not simply for personal security, but because he has such a lousy sense of object permanence that he has to keep that stuff close at hand or risk losing it forever. We've all seen pictures of his Trump Tower desk (Also why the pictures from the Oval Office where the desk was constantly barren of anything was so potent).
 


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