The more they try to flesh out Planet of the Apes backstory, the stupider it gets.
Random Thoughts From Out of Nowhere
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Likely because the people who wrote the original, weren't thinking of prequels and sequels, they just wanted to tell a interesting story with a idea they had in mind as is the case with most successful movies and TV shows, a person has a idea and they try and bring it to life!
and yet they still don't explain how the statue of liberty got to the planet of the apes
It was lost in space after Neo America tried to use the Statue of Liberty Cannon to fight the Devil Gundam. Really, it's a miracle it landed anywhere.
Are you sure it wasn't the remains of Spaceball 1?
You don’t need to explain everything. Sometimes, you just have to accept the premise with sci-fi and especially when it doesn't really affect the main narrative.
See also: Alien, Terminator, Transformers, Friday the 13th, Dr. Who, the Prequel Trilogy etc.
See also: Alien, Terminator, Transformers, Friday the 13th, Dr. Who, the Prequel Trilogy etc.
Somehow midichlorians began.
Midichlorians were stupid but at least they were limited to hyping up Anakin’s latent power and wasn’t an active plot point. Basically, they just functioned as DBZ’s scouters. I more hated the fact that not only were R2D2 and C3PO Vader’s childhood friends, not only did he also build one of them, but somehow this revelation results in a grand total of bupkiss in either trilogy.
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The need to connect everything and everyone was indeed unnecessary, but the thing is, does Vader ever really interact with R2 and 3PO in the OT? The Droids not remembering Anakin can be handwaved away by memory wipes (which seems a pretty common procedure for Droids when they change hands). Vader not remembering the Droids, including one he built, is a little harder to fathom, except I don't really recall a point where they cross paths? By the time he shows up in Cloud City in Empire, 3PO is already in pieces, and R2 is with Luke on Dagobah.
Depends how many times they reused the same props for background filler.
You'll notice a lot of the loudest complaints about the prequels are like that if you really poke at them instead of just repeating them as truisms.
They didn’t interact at all, my point of contention is that they chose to make them parts of Anakin’s childhood when it amounts to nothing. It’s an answer to a question nobody would ever ask. It’s like revealing that the Rancor keeper was Anakin’s roommate in space college or something.
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That's one of the biggest problems with the entire Star Wars oeuvre: the side effect of satiating their nerdy impulses to make everything connected is that in the end the writers created a universe that feels impossibly small. Like the fact that the protagonists of the sequel trilogy are a girl who turns out to be the OT's big bad's granddaughter and a boy who is the son/nephew of the protagonists of the OT and also the OT's first villain's grandson makes the whole thing seem like it could take place within a mid-sized city instead of a whole galaxy.
That line in Spaceballs about Lone Starr being Dark Helmet's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate kind of hit that nail on the head.
Say what you will about Timothy Zahn -- and there have been a few criticisms of his work and its effects on Star Wars lore over the years -- but even the stretching-out-of-the-Classic-Trilogy-box-while-still-keeping-its-structure Thrawn Trilogy did try to give some historical heft and larger-scale sweep to the Galaxy. A Jedi Master that disappeared on a pre-Clone-Wars charting survey, a planet whose primary city was carved from sea-shaped crystal, small furry tree-dwelling creatures that create Force-negating bubbles in order to hide from Force-sensitive predators (Apparently George didn't like that one -- cue Old Han "That's not how the Force works!" meme), and a Clone Wars battle that took out a planetary biosphere, and then the natives were saved by the Lord Darth Vader, and pledged to serve him and his Emperor.
And the new characters interacted with the ones we knew, but had their own backstories. Only Mara Jade's backstory-- as someone selected from infancy to serve the Emperor in those times he needed a scalpel over Vader's six-gravity brick -- really intersects with the Heroes of Yavin, and that only by missed opportunity. Gilad Pellaeon served in the Republic Judical forces, but is basically a line officer given persepective for various chapters. Talon Karrde is the CrimeLord Who Doesn't Do Much, besides ship contraband and trade information that he's come across. And Borsk -- well, since Bothans died to help bring down the Empire at Endor, then it's only right that they should have a seat in the Inner Council alonside Mon Cala, Sullust, the Alderaanian survivors, and Kashyyyk, yes?
It's still a bit small-scale in some ways (this is where the minimalist vs. maximalist arguments in fleet compositions come in), but the story goes to more planets and meets different people than the films largely do.
You know, I never did get to see Transformers the Movie in the theatre. But I did see it on VHS, television, several different DVD's, Blurays and 4K Discs...and each and every one had it's own idea of how the colors should look in certain parts, to say nothing of opening crawl vs no opening crawl...Spike swearing or not swearing. I really have to wonder if anyone (who didn't see it in the theatre) has actually ever seen this the way it was supposed to be.
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Something that, for some reason, I never considered.
The Decepticon attack on Autobot City...they completely outnumbered the Autobots. The Autobots had to call for reinforcements because they were getting swarmed.
To put that in perspective, the Autobots in Autobot city...that had the defenses of a fortress (turrets up the wazoo and blast doors...absolutely built to withstand an attack)...were being overwhelmed by a strike force...THAT FIT INTO A SINGLE SHUTTLE MEANT FOR AUTOBOTS COMING ALONG FOR A GROCERY RECON.
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Something that, for some reason, I never considered.
The Decepticon attack on Autobot City...they completely outnumbered the Autobots. The Autobots had to call for reinforcements because they were getting swarmed.
To put that in perspective, the Autobots in Autobot city...that had the defenses of a fortress (turrets up the wazoo and blast doors...absolutely built to withstand an attack)...were being overwhelmed by a strike force...THAT FIT INTO A SINGLE SHUTTLE MEANT FOR AUTOBOTS COMING ALONG FOR A GROCERY RECON.
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Buzzsaw did it.
The city was still under construction and only had a skeleton crew on hand. Considering it's built on a river, I'm assuming it was supposed to be a hydroelectric plant as well as a fortress, which is why it was such a priority target. They used the shuttle to sneak in close enough to get past most of the city's defenses; they were already pretty close before Hot Rod and Daniel spotted the hole, but it would've been even worse if they'd managed to land the shuttle.
Alternately, it's a cheesy 80s toy commercial, don't bother trying to bring logic into it.
Alternately, it's a cheesy 80s toy commercial, don't bother trying to bring logic into it.
That's what I try to do most of the time. But when it comes to those movies I've seen 100+ times since childhood, ripping them a part with logic is just part of watching.