We live in a capitalist dystopia

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Or just...hoping he won't care. Which he doesn't, about most things. On that note, how's the plan to break up Google coming along?
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Reaslistically: why would trump go after anti-trust lawsuits, when he can just demand a bribe to help get the whole mess pushed through.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
The law only matters if it's enforced. And with the orange cancer in charge, skirting the law is just a bribe away.
Oh, I know, was just ranting a the sky again.... Just so frustrating that we have laws on the books to stop these kinds of abuses but the powers that be don't want to enforce them...
 

NovaSaber

Well-known member
Citizen
worsethanscrooge.png
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Might be something here if it were accurate. It is not. For many reasons.
Feel free to break it down for us, since I'm not planning on hunting down the original post on X to wade through dozens of replies. Nova's probably right, at least; the five-day work week wasn't established as the norm until the 20th century. And given that Scrooge was a moneylender, it wouldn't surprise me if contemporary readers would have inferred that he was Jewish and kept his business open seven days a week, only closing for Christmas because Cratchitt convinced him he wouldn't be getting customers anyway.
 

Ultra Magnus13

Active member
Citizen
Feel free to break it down for us, since I'm not planning on hunting down the original post on X to wade through dozens of replies. Nova's probably right, at least; the five-day work week wasn't established as the norm until the 20th century. And given that Scrooge was a moneylender, it wouldn't surprise me if contemporary readers would have inferred that he was Jewish and kept his business open seven days a week, only closing for Christmas because Cratchitt convinced him he wouldn't be getting customers anyway.

Adjusted for raw inflation he is making something like $155 a week. The number provided in the various meme posts going around is adjusted for inflation, and then ran through a "buying power" or "labor value" conversion that is of questionable accuracy in the short term, and near worthless for jumping that far back.

He is established to be working much more than a 5 day a week 40 hour work week. At least 60 plus hours, and working a career that should (and does) pay more than minimum wage or its old time equivalent.

His established pay is above average for the time frame, but still well below modern minimum wage.

He is trying to support 7 people on this salary. Expecting to be able to support a family of 7, with one having a terminal illness, on a single salary (if I recall correctly I think his wife and oldest kid may make small contributions to the income as well) is poor family planning.


Scrooge doesn't pay Cratchit poorly. He pays him poorly for what he does, treats him poorly and provides poor working conditions.

Most people who are "capitalism bad!", much like most people that are "socialism bad!" Don't have more than a surface level grasp on the system and don't care to look into it any more to have an educated opinion on it. Its frustrating.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
He is trying to support 7 people on this salary. Expecting to be able to support a family of 7, with one having a terminal illness, on a single salary (if I recall correctly I think his wife and oldest kid may make small contributions to the income as well) is poor family planning.
"Family planning" didn't really exist back then, for a number of reasons. And for the average person, it didn't need to, since managing to have that many kids survive past infancy would have been a miracle, albeit an inconvenient one if the parents weren't rich.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
Also 'be fruitful and multiply' was(and still is) a thing in religious circles. Kids of that era were also often used as extra income. Child labor was EVERYWHRE with kids as young as 4 working on factory floors or in coal mines.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
I wonder if any adaptations bring this up. It could be an interesting angle to have Bob turn out to be one of the few people alive at the time to recognize that as the exploitative practice it was and refuse to subject his own kids to it, and that's a big part of why his family was so poor. And then Scrooge naturally scoffs at it as a waste of human resources.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
FB friend:
Ever notice that people can get angry at particular industry when it does capitalism, but they never blame capitalism?

When Big Pharma gouges people for profit, that's on Big Pharma, not capitalism. When Big Oil lobbies to gut environmental regulations, that's on Big Oil, not capitalism. When institutional investors buy up all the housing so they can gouge low-income people on rent, that's real-estate investors, not capitalism. When construction companies cut corners on safety and people die, that's evil construction contractors, not capitalism.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Because you can regulate individual industries into not doing that stuff. People aren't so keen on a communist revolution.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
Regulation can curb some excesses, but the profit motive turns it into an endless arms race that companies win through lobbying, regulatory capture and loopholes.

Big Pharma still charges Americans 2-3x more than anywhere else despite decades of "fixes," because the incentives to extract maximum value never disappear.

Blaming the players while defending the game that keeps producing them is the real fantasy.
 
Top Bottom