Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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Not even gun owners generally; specifically people belonging to gun rights organizations traditionally affiliated with Republicans. I'd wager that most left-wing gun owners aren't going to be on the list.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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As a citizen of a country with a mandatory gun registry: when the information isn't biased and abused, they work perfectly well. But I also know that trump abuses everything.

So, the crypto market lost 20 billion yesterday. How about that.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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As a citizen of a country with a mandatory gun registry: when the information isn't biased and abused, they work perfectly well. But I also know that trump abuses everything.

So, the crypto market lost 20 billion yesterday. How about that.
Turns out those proposed tariffs really hit bitcoin hard.
. . . while some anonymous someone made a massive short and cleared damn near 200 million.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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FB friend:
Ethics question: if you had access to a complete list of ICE agents' real identities and some way to publish them anonymously so they couldn't hunt you down, would you publish it? What are the ethical arguments for and against doing so?
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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The ethical argument for it is that these people are despicable and deserve some form of justice for what they're doing, and since the law obviously isn't gonna do anything to them, let their social presence suffer. Let them lose their jobs, let their friends and families see what they are.

The ethical argument against it is......uh.......I could come up with something about revenge being hollow, I guess, but I'm not feeling it.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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The ethical argument is that you're protecting the innocent people they're brutalizing. While they are still entitled to privacy: there is more harm being done by NOT outing them.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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The ethical argument is that you're protecting the innocent people they're brutalizing. While they are still entitled to privacy: there is more harm being done by NOT outing them.

My sister's kids are half-hispanic, but they're brown enough that you'd never know they're half-white. Now they're terrified of being racially profiled by ICE to the point that they hardly ever leave the house.

And we're not even a full year into Trump's second reign of terror.
 

Cybersnark

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It occurs to me: generations in the future, people will wonder if Donald Trump actually existed. They will assume he's a folkloric character, like King Arthur, Robin Hood, the Yellow Emperor, or Jesus of Nazareth.

He's clearly an allegory; the personification of greed and late-stage capitalism (symbolically represented by his diet, personal habits, amorality, and accounts of failed business ventures), used as a short-hand for how those forces can undermine and destroy a society from within. His position as American president reflects how the qualities he embodied eventually came to be primarily associated with American-style consumerism and imperialism --Trump represents the ultimate possible evolution of the idea of "Manifest Destiny." Even his name is derived from a term dating back to the 16th century for card games, frequently used for gambling.

While he may have been based on a historical figure, it's impossible to determine the truth due to how many records of the era were falsified or erased outright during the AI crisis of the mid-21st century.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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We have much better record keeping tools nowadays. The knowledge will survive. The question is how many people will try to deny it so they can copy his playbook.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
It occurs to me: generations in the future, people will wonder if Donald Trump actually existed. They will assume he's a folkloric character, like King Arthur, Robin Hood, the Yellow Emperor, or Jesus of Nazareth.

He's clearly an allegory; the personification of greed and late-stage capitalism (symbolically represented by his diet, personal habits, amorality, and accounts of failed business ventures), used as a short-hand for how those forces can undermine and destroy a society from within. His position as American president reflects how the qualities he embodied eventually came to be primarily associated with American-style consumerism and imperialism --Trump represents the ultimate possible evolution of the idea of "Manifest Destiny." Even his name is derived from a term dating back to the 16th century for card games, frequently used for gambling.

While he may have been based on a historical figure, it's impossible to determine the truth due to how many records of the era were falsified or erased outright during the AI crisis of the mid-21st century.
If society progresses to a point that there is large scale, obviously academic discussion about trump: it means his ideology was defeated for the most part. Oppressed peoples don't have time to argue over the minutiae of past oppressors.

And on a long enough time line: I don't disagree with the intent of the statement. It's not too huge a step from "evil person wasn't that bad" and "evil person was allegory". There's a reason the allies demanded that EVERY atrocity the nazis committed be repeatedly and exhaustingly documented. There have been holocaust deniers since the day after VE day. It might even be inevitable that trump passes into myth and legend.

So the question to ask in that context: is he a cautionary tale, or an aspirational one.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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We have much better record keeping tools nowadays. The knowledge will survive. The question is how many people will try to deny it so they can copy his playbook.

I often wonder how many years of distance the average MAGA voter will need before the fever breaks and they realize that they supported a laughably corrupt imbecile.
 


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