Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

abates

unfortunate shark issues
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Mercury poisoning.

As the song goes, "This is the world we live in...."
Whenever I remember that song, I always remember this verse:
I won't be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We're not just making promises
That we know we'll never keep
Well *gestures to the general world* we're waiting, Phil!
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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Not a problem our generation will ever have. We promise nothing and deliver less!
 

KidTDragon

Now with hi-res avatar!
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More pettiness from the infant-in-chief:


President Donald Trump has revoked U.S. Secret Service protection for former Vice President Kamala Harris, a senior adviser to Harris told NBC News on Friday.

Congress passed legislation in 2008 that authorized the Secret Service to protect former vice presidents, their spouses and their children under 16 years old for up to six months after the vice president’s term has ended.

A Secret Service official told NBC that while that's true, President Joe Biden had signed an executive memorandum in January extending Harris’ protection to 18 months.
 

Anonymous X

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I know this is not fully relevant to this thread, and possibly only vaguely appropriate for the wider forum, but… I caught about 15 minutes of one of the Michael Bay Transformers films. Not the first one, not the one with Sir Anthony Hopkins in, so one of the others; they all look mostly the same to me. I noticed how fascist the aesthetics of the film were. So aggressive and militaristic and anti-intellectualist and just… Horrific. And the worst thing is that none of these were parodies or satires of the overly belligerent blockbuster action film genre, they were made completely ‘straight’.

Basically, I’m now thinking that the Bayformers films were a major cultural precursor to MAGA movement. The vibes were and are basically the same.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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American military movies are either dramas about the horrors of war or jingoistic testosterone fests, with nothing really in between (the occasional parody aside). The Bay films lean into the latter pretty heavily, but to say it has anything to do with MAGA when it was a long-established trope for decades beforehand feels like a stretch.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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American military movies are either dramas about the horrors of war or jingoistic testosterone fests, with nothing really in between (the occasional parody aside).
Because they know the American public are too ideologically-minded to handle nuance and will accuse everything that doesn't pander to their exact worldview of being propaganda for the other side. Meaning anything in between will get accused of this and hated by everyone.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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Because they know the American public are too ideologically-minded to handle nuance and will accuse everything that doesn't pander to their exact worldview of being propaganda for the other side. Meaning anything in between will get accused of this and hated by everyone.
Mildly related:

Me and my friends were at the theater watching "tears of the sun" way back when (2003! 😦 does not feel that long...) and... the movie ended. The final scene was a bombing run that summarily obliterated the enemy force. Most of the theater was quiet for it, because... overwhelming force applied to an unprepared contingent. That is not a feel good moment, it is not patriotic or heroic. It is a thing that happens in war: but it's not something you cheer.

Except for a hand full of chuckle ***** that jumped to their feet, clapping and screaming "god bless america"... in a movie theater in quebec...

At least one of them had situational awareness: cause they promptly de-assed the cinema. Not like anyone would have done anything other than disapproving looks. Guess they were just trolling.
 

NovaSaber

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Because they know the American public are too ideologically-minded to handle nuance and will accuse everything that doesn't pander to their exact worldview of being propaganda for the other side. Meaning anything in between will get accused of this and hated by everyone.
But then they'll claim (often in direct defiance of the obvious) that older movies and shows were more nuanced (and/or that their politics were less important to them) than the newer ones they want to complain about.
 

wonko the sane?

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While the statistics are terrifying, I would make the argument that trump won't last 31 more years: and on one else in his entourage has the... thing (the thing I still don't understand.) that actually makes him popular. His orbit is full of absolutely hated people that everyone else will refuse to cooperate with.

If nothing else, the power vacuum when trump dies will be as destructive as trumps term in general.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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While the statistics are terrifying, I would make the argument that trump won't last 31 more years: and on one else in his entourage has the... thing (the thing I still don't understand.) that actually makes him popular. His orbit is full of absolutely hated people that everyone else will refuse to cooperate with.

If nothing else, the power vacuum when trump dies will be as destructive as trumps term in general.
I call it anti-charisma. He's so uncharismatic that it loops back around.
 

Cybersnark

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While the statistics are terrifying, I would make the argument that trump won't last 31 more years: and on one else in his entourage has the... thing (the thing I still don't understand.) that actually makes him popular. His orbit is full of absolutely hated people that everyone else will refuse to cooperate with.

If nothing else, the power vacuum when trump dies will be as destructive as trumps term in general.

Here's hoping, but let's not forget that Trump is only a figurehead. He's openly admitted that he doesn't know what's going on in his own administration. The Heritage Foundation exists independently of him, and they're the ones that have actually been doing the work in the background.

The purpose of the cult was to vote his puppetmasters into power; now that they're there and can corrupt future elections, the cult itself is less important. Some of them (both inside and outside Washington) will absolutely turn on each other, but they're not going to suddenly switch sides and become Democrats, nor will the establishment Dems suddenly grow a spine.
 

wonko the sane?

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True, but the heritage foundation doesn't have (enough.) power without trump. They might be independent, but it is a symbiotic relationship. And they don't have to become democrats for progress and sanity to win: they just have to fight each other enough to cancel out.
 

Pocket

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Also why is it locking certain posts behind signups now? Did it really only take them this long to turn evil and require signups to access the site at all, or is this selective for reasons I can't even fathom and probably neither can the people who made that decision?
 


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