Yeah, after stuff like Pizzagate and the attempted kidnapping of a sitting US governor, and the general hostility of right wing media for anyone who bashes the “dear leader”; who also happens to be in control of the most corrupt DOJ and Supreme Court in decades…NOBODY is going to be willing to ”speak out” against Trump at this point.
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Likely a bunch of copies of the list. It's perfect blackmail material. Anyone who had access to it likely has a copy stashed on a flash drive somewhere so they can use it as leverage.
We're getting a simulated preview of this already:
Conservative Bots on X Post Mixed Messages As MAGA Divide Over Epstein Case Deepens
A network of X accounts have used artificial intelligence to support the Trump administration since 2024. Now, they are confused over their messaging as Epstein divide continues.
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No, there's probably just the one, on a shared drive in the FBI's network. The epstein list the media and everyone else is referring to is an aggregate composition by the investigators tying individuals by name to dates, places people and offense. Sure, epstein had his little black book with names and contact information: but that doesn't mean anything or prove anything. Most people of his generation and era had SOMETHING akin to that book. It's literally just your phones contact list. Corroborating, sure, but nothing on its own.
The epstein list was created by trawling all the video and document information, putting names to faces, and then putting all that jive into an excel sheet. Distilling all the criminality down to a relatively easy to read source code. That's the value of it, it takes the knowledge epstein and maxwell acquired the long way and makes it travel handy. So anyone at all holding can read it, and use it for blackmail: even though they were never there and couldn't know otherwise.
It's also property of the FBI, and a crime to destroy it without permission, and permission consists of a mile long paper trail designed specifically to CYA. It would also be pointless as it's probably backed up a dozen times, and could still be recreated because they still hold all the evidence that they had originally gathered.
I mean, if it exists in digital form there are absolutely copies, because that's how digital works (when you "move" a file, you're not moving it, you're making a new copy in a new place and auto-deleting the old one).
I'm not insider. I see stuff here and there and make suppositions, but government confidential materials are not handled like my files. And Trump's handling of things last time around pushed them to start talking about making everything digital and accessible only through a proprietary tablet. I don't know how much of that has been done.
The problem at the center of this mess is there are no players in Washington handling this properly and they have all exposed themselves to hypocrisy. Random guy in the comments on Facebook doesn't see the entire picture, but makes sense when he says "Why didn't the Democrats release this a year ago when they were in charge?" The answer is that the government doesn't do this. It's not a normal thing for the government to do. The Democrat leaders are only pretending this is urgently needed because they want to get as much spectacle as they can out of Trump's reversal and get people thinking and talking about what it means.
If the police find a body and no fingerprints and it looks like it was done by someone who was angry and they investigate for months and the only thing they turn up is that someone saw Wonko arguing with him the day before, the case will go cold. They will not indict Wonko with that. If someone pressures them to prove that they investigated, it is not reasonable or just policy to release that file. The judiciary has an obligation to maintain a presumption of innocence, but the public do not. They didn't have enough evidence to establish that Wonko killed someone, but if they release that anyway, a lot of people are going to think Wonko is a killer for the rest of his life. You aren't supposed to do that.
Specific to the Epstein case, I don't know how much evidence they have. I know that some victims have testified and stuff. I don't KNOW that the Justice Dept under any President has been diligent to build cases if they can. I don't KNOW if the Justice Dept has stuck it in a closet to protect powerful people. But even if they have, it just isn't something the government is supposed to do to release suggestive, incriminating evidence about someone that they aren't charging with a crime. What the MAGA mob and that Democrats both should be doing is urging the Justice Dept to build cases and indict criminals. If they can't or won't do that, there isn't another recourse and there isn't supposed to be.
The problem at the center of this mess is there are no players in Washington handling this properly and they have all exposed themselves to hypocrisy. Random guy in the comments on Facebook doesn't see the entire picture, but makes sense when he says "Why didn't the Democrats release this a year ago when they were in charge?" The answer is that the government doesn't do this. It's not a normal thing for the government to do. The Democrat leaders are only pretending this is urgently needed because they want to get as much spectacle as they can out of Trump's reversal and get people thinking and talking about what it means.
If the police find a body and no fingerprints and it looks like it was done by someone who was angry and they investigate for months and the only thing they turn up is that someone saw Wonko arguing with him the day before, the case will go cold. They will not indict Wonko with that. If someone pressures them to prove that they investigated, it is not reasonable or just policy to release that file. The judiciary has an obligation to maintain a presumption of innocence, but the public do not. They didn't have enough evidence to establish that Wonko killed someone, but if they release that anyway, a lot of people are going to think Wonko is a killer for the rest of his life. You aren't supposed to do that.
Specific to the Epstein case, I don't know how much evidence they have. I know that some victims have testified and stuff. I don't KNOW that the Justice Dept under any President has been diligent to build cases if they can. I don't KNOW if the Justice Dept has stuck it in a closet to protect powerful people. But even if they have, it just isn't something the government is supposed to do to release suggestive, incriminating evidence about someone that they aren't charging with a crime. What the MAGA mob and that Democrats both should be doing is urging the Justice Dept to build cases and indict criminals. If they can't or won't do that, there isn't another recourse and there isn't supposed to be.
Encrypted file accessible only via special tablets containing the key wouldn't likely stop the file from being copied, even if was by using a camera taking pictures of the tablet's screen. This also isn't secret military plans, it was a criminal investigation. This investigation started during the Trump 1.0 administration and continued through the Biden administration as well. Likely HUNDREDS of investigators and multiple legislators have seen the document and more than a few of those likely had the ability to copy the information, one way or another.. Just takes one to break this whole thing wide open.
I will agree we should be pushing for prosecution, but we don't currently have a justice department and barely have a court system, so....
I will agree we should be pushing for prosecution, but we don't currently have a justice department and barely have a court system, so....
Not exactly. My hope is that once trump 2.0 is over the file survives for the next admin to actually do something with it, though. My fear is they take aim at making the entire investigation vanish. I do firmly believe that those with power SHOULD be under heavier scrutiny than those without, though, and Epstein's list is mostly people with power.
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Now that's an interesting line of thought. Suppose the list gets released. And it's the real list. Unedited. Uncensored. Unredacted. And it leads to an actual mass uprising. Let's just pretend for a moment that Trump doesn't see himself as a target and thus doesn't order the military to stop them, because if he did it'd be a curb stomp. Let's pretend they're storming Washington, all the state capitals, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, wherever someone on the list might live or work. And somehow, they don't just get mowed down by the army like we would reasonably assume they would. Who's in this crowd? Well, realistically, no matter who turned out to be on the list, it'd be the people who have been demanding the list be released, conveniently also the people who have most of the guns in this country, and the same sort of people who stormed the Capitol on January 6. Which is to say, not our sort of people (and not the sort of people we'd be disappointed to see mowed down by the army either *cough*).
But who do they go after? Surely they'd be selective about it, right? It's what they do. They go after "liberals" and "commies" and probably anyone who belongs to a marginalized group and doesn't already fall under the first two categories, and... leave everyone else alone? All those other known pedophiles? That would mean insisting that the list is only half real, or excusing half the people on a list of known pedophiles on the grounds that they've been fighting the good fight. Or would they? They sure didn't seem selective about who they were willing to lynch on January 6. They chanted "Hang Mike Pence", not "Hang Nancy Pelosi", and we've heard phone calls from desperate Republicans begging Trump to call off the mob. As far as they were concerned, all they cared about was their Lord and Savior Donald Trump, and everyone else was the enemy at that point.
And now it's Trump they're angry with the most. The rose-tinted glasses are starting to come off. Against all odds, and against any bet I would have ever dared to make, their undying loyalty to their Immortal God-King is starting to crack. Is it enough to make them actually want to kill him? The last person who tried was a disillusioned former supporter, I hear.
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My other, unrelated thought:
What I want to know is why Trump didn't just have a fake Epstein list ready to drop as soon as the masses started grumbling, if not sooner. Isn't that exactly his style? We just saw him conjure up an AI deepfake video of Obama getting arrested, and it's not even clear why yet. Lying to people and ruining the lives of everyone he doesn't like are his two favorite things in the world, and a fake Epstein list consisting exclusively of Democrats, the disloyal, and a handful of sacrificial Republicans that the public has long been suspicious of would achieve both those things. Even a fake list that's exactly like the real one except Trump himself is conveniently absent from it would still do him a world of good. I would have expected him to start working on it during his first term. Or am I just too good at thinking like an evil wannabe dictator compared to the one who's actually trying to become one right now? I already knew I'm better at thinking like a good President...
Trump fan dismisses Epstein files because it's 'human nature' to molest kids
A fan of President Donald Trump told C-SPAN that she wasn't concerned about the release of files on Jeffrey Epstein because it was "human nature" to molest children.During Tuesday's Washington Journal program, host John McArdle opened the phone lines to ask Republicans if they wanted to see more...
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every Republican pretending to care about Epsteins' list & the possibility of Donald being on there will not hesitate even for a moment to vote for him a fourth time once the Supreme Court says it's OK for him to have another term.
It would not bear scrutiny.
I don't know who is on the list at all other than Trump, but a lot of the people on the list know a lot of the others on the list. They partied together. If Trump made a witch hunt out of it, the targeted people would start to talk. Trump doesn't hold all the cards. People on the list are a threat to him too. Probably the explanation for the position he is taking is that a general armistice is in his best interests.
How a Scottish newspaper is covering Trump’s visit to Scotland.
Too bad the U.S. media doesn't have the balls to do that.
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"Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?"
Though if three ghosts visited Trump he'd probably just give them the finger then roll over and go back to sleep.
Someone dug up some footage from an old documentary featuring Ivanka showing off her childhood bedroom. Watch how her body language completely changes when she talks about her bed:
Now try to convince me that Donald didn't rape her when she was a teenager.
Now try to convince me that Donald didn't rape her when she was a teenager.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TTzIsrHyEXE
Trump is still going to lower drug prices. Probably soon! As much as 1500% on some.
Trump is still going to lower drug prices. Probably soon! As much as 1500% on some.