Superman (Legacy)- Summer 2025

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I saw this today. I was very disappointed by the anti-immigrant message.

If not for the insane (and successful?) gaslighting in the film, I might talk about the figurative neck snap moment. Or tried to overlook it entirely and focus on the fact it's otherwise pretty fun. But bang, zoom, antisemitism in a Superman movie. I didn't think it was even possible.
 

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Nathan Fillion confirmed via a talk show that he, ahem, “kept” Guy Gardner’s Green Lantern ring from the film.

And the gold tooth.
 

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Comic book movies have been trying to be grounded more and more for a long time and I support that. It is actually my preference. But it was fun to watch this total comic book movie not at all interested in grounding. Lex is already full-on comic book villain here. They don't mind being silly at all.

One more pass on the scenes that are supposed to be touching could have given them a lot more weight, but I'm not sure Gunn wanted the weight. The little speech in the last confrontation with Lex just doesn't work for me. The talk with Pa Kent almost gets there, but I would have just changed it a little. They do a thing with Lois where she is just looking around realizing something and it is just enough, but I would have had some dialog on it.

Hawk Girl, who is apparently just a normal human with a magic outfit, screams like a hawk throughout fights and it is really weird.
 
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Saw it over the weekend. Whole family loved it. I thought it was a very fun film that got the feel of Superman right.

I had heard of Mr. Terrific before but had no exposure to him as a character, so I was surprised at how much I ended up liking him. I don't know if anyone here watches Resident Alien, but he was almost a 1:1 of Sheriff Mike. My wife and I both wondered briefly during the movie if it was the same actor because his line reading was so similar.
 

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Nathan Fillion confirmed via a talk show that he, ahem, “kept” Guy Gardner’s Green Lantern ring from the film.

And the gold tooth.
If I'm ever doing something for a movie, I'm just negotiating something like that into my contract.
 

LordGigaIce

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A realization that made me enjoy this movie on another level...

Lex Luthor's first appearance was way back in Action Comics #23 in 1940.
In it he operated out of a flying base, was conspiring to push two countries into war for his own benefit, and had uniformed lackies who followed him unquestionably.

Superman 2025 is a pretty on point adaptation of that, with some other influences tossed it.

It reminds me of how, despite the gritty tone, The Dark Knight was very faithful to the plot points of the Joker's first appearance in Batman #1.
 

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DC seemingly has a defined hit on its hands, this time around. After two weekends, Superman 25 has already bested the domestic runs for Captain America BNW, MI Final Reckoning, and Thunderbolts. And it trails Jurassic World Rebirth by a mere $40 million, despite a full week (and holiday) head start. And that’s in conjunction with a strong positive reaction from critics and viewers.
 

LordGigaIce

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DC seemingly has a defined hit on its hands, this time around. After two weekends, Superman 25 has already bested the domestic runs for Captain America BNW, MI Final Reckoning, and Thunderbolts. And it trails Jurassic World Rebirth by a mere $40 million, despite a full week (and holiday) head start. And that’s in conjunction with a strong positive reaction from critics and viewers.
While Superman is certainly impressive I'm not sure I'm seeing where it's trailing Jurassic World Rebirth by merely $40 million.
This article that was just published has Superman at $407 million and Jurassic World Rebirth at $648 million.

 

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While Superman is certainly impressive I'm not sure I'm seeing where it's trailing Jurassic World Rebirth by merely $40 million.
This article that was just published has Superman at $407 million and Jurassic World Rebirth at $648 million.

Sorry, I was just using Box Office Mojo’s domestic US numbers, not international (which tend to be more delayed).

The film IS showing relatively strong international numbers, going by BOM. After two weekends, the film has outgrossed Thunderbolts, Snow White, and is less than $10 million off from beating Captain America 4. It is certainly well on pace to pass Mission Impossible by the end of its run, though Jurassic World might hold strong from international numbers.

Fantastic Four will probably open number 1, but the general “vibe” I get is less positive than Superman. And the marketing seems like it has shifted to revealing more on the attempt to change some of the perceived plot of the film.
 

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It really is a great Superman film. I went in being unsure about it, even though I heard overwhelmingly positive things, and it took it a little while to win me over but by the end I was sold. It has a pretty perfect take on Superman and all the supporting heroes were surprisingly both well written and well used.


-ZacWilliam, I hope Fantastic Four hits as well.
 

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So I took my Brother to see this for his Birthday, as he lives in a college town where the movie theater closed down and became a church. So I took my brother to see this, but his youngest wanted to go too, so I took him too. Then I thought that I would want to take my oldest with e too since she and I love watching super hero cartoons together. You can ask her today what is rule #1, and she will respond with, "Don't fight Superman.". However, about two hours before we were meant to leave, my oldest was talking to her grand mother, who had came over to help the wife, and my middle child heard what we were going to do. Now I was wanting to just take my oldest as my middle child has ADHD and its hard for her to sit still for two hours. But she begged and pleaded to come too, swore that she would stay seated throughout the movie, and would behave. So, I ordered another IMAX ticket. Got them ready and met my brother and nephew at the AMC theater about 30 minutes away.


We got Concessions and only when we were going to get our seats did we find out that we needed to be at the other AMC theater a few miles down the road. Fortunately, we get there before the previews are over, but a family is sitting in our assigned seats. No big deal, we just sit behind them. My middle child starts to get unruly about 10 minutes into the film as she is out of Popcorn and soda, and I already told her we would be getting food on the way home. Not spending another $20 on a soda and popcorn. She eventually calms down and starts watching the film.

So after all that, I still managed to enjoy this movie. A couple notes, there is a lot cursing in this film. Mostly, the cursing doesn't stand out when they use it, but they use it whenever applicable.

That being said, Supergirl showing up drunk and calling Clark a bitch for no reason was a bit weird.

Mr. Terrific was great in this! I had only seen him previously in JLU and a few animated films, so seeing him on the big screen was great. Nathan Fillon excels as Guy Gardner. Love the whole Justice Gang in fact, as Hawkgirl is spot on perfect to me as well.

Lois was bad here. Her interview with Clark was so openly hostile and almost like she was trying to create a propaganda piece for a Fox News like news station. Jimmy and his aversion to this hot girl that was obsessed with him was just weird and unrealistic. SNL guy and Cat lady were there to fill the scenery, but could have been removed and not lost anything.

Lex was a bit over the top, and his required control level of Ultraman was an obvious weak point that he should have anticipated. Ultraman himself was great, and I wished that they had done more with him.

Ma and Pa Kent didn't work for me. Previously, we have had such talented actors in these roles that can really bring out the best of humanity and shine like beacons in their scenes to get that across. We didn't get that here. We got a couple of old folks doing old people jokes and a generic "proud of you" speech from Pa.

One last negative thing, I don't like the reconstructive message. I don't believe that his parents would have told him to do that. To have harems of women to spread his DNA and rule over the Earth, is not something that Jor-El or Lara-El would say.


I like that we didn't get a whole new origin film for Superman, and we didn't have to immediately jump to Darkseid or Doomsday. I like that there are already a ton of super heroes in this world, and I think that Superman himself was great in this film. While I do miss Cavil, this new guy does a good job. I love the use of the John Williams theme music and the classic title sequences. I would give this film a strong three out of five.
 

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What did your kids think of the movie?

Yeah, I hated the swearing. Maybe those words are considered normal now tho, I dunno. *waves cane*

I hated the long interview scene too because I made me feel tense. I was waiting for Clark to slam down on a table. It would humanize him but I'd be frightened.

Love Ultra man. He was awesome.
 

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My oldest really liked it, but said that she got really scared at the part with the kid holding the flag. She also told her mom that the movie had a lot of bad words in it.
 

LordGigaIce

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That being said, Supergirl showing up drunk and calling Clark a bitch for no reason was a bit weird.
That's how Supergirl is in the comic series Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow. The party girl persona is directly from that. And Gunn has been open about that being the inspiration for the DCU Supergirl.

Lois was bad here. Her interview with Clark was so openly hostile and almost like she was trying to create a propaganda piece for a Fox News like news station.
Wow I got a totally different feel. The feel I got was that Lois is a responsible journalist. When Clark loses it and asks her if she really believes what the Boravian government says about the invasion, she says no she doesn't, but she can't base her perspective as a journalist off of what she suspects, only what she can prove.

Clark is vindicated in that we later find out the Boravians were league with Lex, but Lois shows she's committed to being a responsible journalist. Which plays into how her character unfolds as she investigates Luthor.

So no, I didn't see her as setting up a hit piece. I saw her as being committed to responsible journalism. She even says, just before the interview, that it's wrong for "Clark Kent" to interview "Superman" since he knows the answers ahead of time. This is her showing her best side of her professional life by showing she won't go easy on Clark.

It also sets up that she's maybe so focused on the ethics of her job that she's going to risk her relationship with Clark. As she says- in that scene- she's not good with relationships.

I thought it was an excellent piece of character work.

Lex was a bit over the top...
I loved him. Hoult's Lex seems like the first live action Lex to actually get what Lex is about.

Ma and Pa Kent didn't work for me. Previously, we have had such talented actors in these roles that can really bring out the best of humanity and shine like beacons in their scenes to get that across. We didn't get that here. We got a couple of old folks doing old people jokes and a generic "proud of you" speech from Pa.
Massive disagree with you there. I thought they- Pa specifically- were the heart of the rising action of the film.
Kevin Coster sure can wear a pair of blue jeans and look longfully into the middle distance of rural America but his Pa Kent was hamstrung by Snyder's dark and edgy storytelling where he suggests Clark should have let his classmates drown.

This version of the Kents feels like the parents that would have raised Clark to be the hero he becomes.

One last negative thing, I don't like the reconstructive message. I don't believe that his parents would have told him to do that. To have harems of women to spread his DNA and rule over the Earth, is not something that Jor-El or Lara-El would say.
Now this I agree with. I know the comics have explored "what if Krypton were evil?" from time to time, and ofc Invincible is built off of that premise...
But as someone who's primarily familiar with Superman through STAS and the various movie incarnations, it didn't sit right with me.

It also undermines Gunn's "Superman is an immigrant" message. Because if Superman is someone sent to Earth by his host culture to undermine us and usurp us on our own planet, then what message does that send about immigrant communities?
This was absolutely not the intent Gunn was working with but it's very easy to read it that way.

And also... as I said, Invincible. Never copy the people copying you.

The revelation that Jor-El and Lara-El were evil is the one thing I didn't like... but overall it's a wonderfully fun film.
 

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Massive disagree with you there. I thought they- Pa specifically- were the heart of the rising action of the film.
Kevin Coster sure can wear a pair of blue jeans and look longfully into the middle distance of rural America but his Pa Kent was hamstrung by Snyder's dark and edgy storytelling where he suggests Clark should have let his classmates drown.

This version of the Kents feels like the parents that would have raised Clark to be the hero he becomes.
As an Oklahoman city kid without an accent, I felt nettled by their accents. It isn't inaccurate, but it is often coded in movies for stupid rural folk. I'm not even saying he did wrong, but I was sensitive to it. It initially felt like a smarmy, "How come I'm the first filmmaker that knows what people in Kansas sound like?" But only some Kansans sound like that. I'll probably feel better about it on second viewing.

Kevin Costner wasn't what I had any problem with in Snyder. I don't remember exactly what he said, but I felt like all the lead up in Man of Steel was packed with great character moments and this was one. Dealing with a real dilemma there. What cost is Clark's secret worth? Costner didn't say let them drown, did he? I think he said something like "I don't know, maybe"

Pa's new scene was the most obvious example to me of this movie pulling its punches emotionally. Scenes like that write themselves and this one didn't quite get there and I think Gunn has to do it on purpose. He did it plenty of times in Guardians of the Galaxy. Things get just a little misty and there has to be a joke or something to pull you back out.

I almost think he didn't want Ma and Pa to be these amazing parents that REALLY GET IT that we usually get and wanted them to just be totally ordinary. They love him and tried to raise him right and it worked out as it so often does. Pa did have a very thought-provoking line, though, in "It's not a parent's job to tell their kids who they are". But if I were writing this movie, Clark's "I'm not who I thought I was" would have been hit solid back with, "Well, you're the man I thought you were."
 
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Steevy Maximus

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That's how Supergirl is in the comic series Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow. The party girl persona is directly from that. And Gunn has been open about that being the inspiration for the DCU Supergirl.
I actually appreciate this decision on her portrayal:
In almost every major media, Supergirl ends up being portrayed, at best, as "Superman as a girl". More often, "girl Superman but younger". For the "general audience", this is a refreshing change from how she has been traditionally been portrayed.
 

LordGigaIce

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I actually appreciate this decision on her portrayal:
In almost every major media, Supergirl ends up being portrayed, at best, as "Superman as a girl". More often, "girl Superman but younger". For the "general audience", this is a refreshing change from how she has been traditionally been portrayed.
Yeah, and it's comics accurate. And the comic series it's from is genuinely fun and exciting. It works for me, and the tie-in to her issues being what causes Krypto's issues was really fun.

As an Oklahoman city kid without an accent, I felt nettled by their accents. It isn't inaccurate, but it is often coded in movies for stupid rural folk.
To each their own. I'm an Ontario boy. I don't talk like this eh?, but it doesn't bother me if Canadians speak like that in media.
The thing is... it's only code for "stupid rural folk" if the characters are stupid. And this movie very much doesn't make them out to be stupid.

Pa's new seen was the most obvious example to me of this movie pulling its punches emotionally. Scenes like that write themselves and this one didn't quite get there
Again, to each his own. I nearly choked up at that scene. IMO you could feel the love Johnathan Kent had for his son, and how proud he was of his choices. And the movie very much ends with THESE ARE THE PARENTS WHO REALLY MADE CLARK SUPERMAN as a message so I'm not sure it's fair to say Gunn wrote them as "not getting it."
 


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