Iran. Nuff said.

[Pale Rider]

Considering I don't believe Iran was on the verge of building nukes (as per my previous posts), I obviously don't think what we just did was worth the cost.

From where I sit, it's already done more harm than good. Economically, strategically and diplomatically.

If Iran is willing to absorb the loss and de-escalate, we should let them and hope it ends there. There's nothing to gain by pushing further, no matter what Bibi says.

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

So we'll get a shock. No one denied that, but it's not worth the hype. I mean, are you saying we're doomed? That we should apologize to Iran before they wreak a terrible revenge that dooms us, because they hold the final card? And does that happen before the promised regional war or after?

I'm a lifelong environmental educator and activist. I know there's a fine line between predicting disaster and feeling vindicated by it.

I remember when a good portion of the board was convinced that Brexit was going to lead to some kind of Mad Max scenario.

BTW oil has already dropped back down to pretty much where it was before Israel struck. Lower than it was for most of the past 4 years or so.

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

Considering I don't believe Iran was on the verge of building nukes (as per my previous posts), I obviously don't think what we just did was worth the cost.

From where I sit, it's already done more harm than good. Economically, strategically and diplomatically.

If Iran is willing to absorb the loss and de-escalate, we should let them and hope it ends there. There's nothing to gain by pushing further, no matter what Bibi says.

They were doing one of two things. Building towards a nuke, or getting close enough to have the threat of building one be a card in their deck. At best this would be to try and bully and extort the rest of the world, at worst they may actually develop and deploy one.

 

[Pale Rider]

That’s speculation, not evidence.

If Iran were truly building or even brandishing a nuke program to extort the world, the intel community would be shouting it from the rooftops to justify strikes. But they’re not, because there’s nothing solid to show.

"Might be doing something" isn’t a basis for war. We’ve been down that road before.

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

That’s speculation, not evidence.

If Iran were truly building or even brandishing a nuke program to extort the world, the intel community would be shouting it from the rooftops to justify strikes. But they’re not, because there’s nothing solid to show.

"Might be doing something" isn’t a basis for war. We’ve been down that road before.

Provide another plausible reason for enriching to that level.

Provide another plausible reason for attempting to deceiving the IAEA.

 

[Pale Rider]

Sure.

Enriching to 60% can be a pressure tactic: a way to gain leverage in negotiations, not necessarily a step toward a bomb. Iran has done this before in response to sanctions or attacks, then scaled it back.

As for IAEA opacity, that's also not unusual. States under pressure often play games with inspectors. That alone doesn't prove weaponization. If it did, the intel community wouldn't be contradicting the case for strikes.

If you want war, fine. Just say so. But don't pretend this is an open-and-shut threat. It's just the Bush Doctrine in a clown suit.

 

[Pale Rider]

 

[Dekafox]

Well, that ceasefire didn't last very long...

Does he really think the Israeli government is constantly scrolling his social media posts?

 

[Pale Rider]

I'd be more surprised if they didn't.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Well, that ceasefire didn't last very long...

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Does he really think the Israeli government is constantly scrolling his social media posts?

Yes he does, and he also thinks they'll obey his social media posts. He honestly thinks he rules the ******* world, and can just summarily order jive into happening on his bankrupt twitter knock off.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Given how often Trump and his goons leak things through social media, I'm sure a lot of people are watching. They're not obeying, but they are monitoring it.

 

[Dekafox]

In real time though? I doubt Bibi or the head of his armed forces has a Trump Truth.social feed pinned to their desktop... and obeying is another matter entirely of course, as already mentioned.

There's a device, called a phone. If world leaders wanted instant response or communication with other foreign leaders on something critical, they used to pick it up and directly talk to each other, not shout into the void and hope they(or someone they employ) are listening in time to do anything about it. Supposedly he even knows what a phone is and has used one.

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

In real time though? I doubt Bibi or the head of his armed forces has a Trump Truth.social feed pinned to their desktop... and obeying is another matter entirely of course, as already mentioned.

There's a device, called a phone. If world leaders wanted instant response or communication with other foreign leaders on something critical, they used to pick it up and directly talk to each other, not shout into the void and hope they(or someone they employ) are listening in time to do anything about it. Supposedly he even knows what a phone is and has used one.

Given how advanced Israel's Intel is, they 100% have a team monitoring key social feeds in real time 24/7.

If he actually doesn't want them to strike, he or his team communicated this to them. The post serves to give him plausible deniability if they do.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Given how advanced Israel's Intel is, they 100% have a team monitoring key social feeds in real time 24/7.

And probably an entire second team whose sole purpose is to laugh at trump.

 

[Pocket]

Why hire someone to laugh at him if you're going to be doing it involuntarily yourself every time you read one of his posts? I'd consider it one of the perks of the job.

 

[Pale Rider]

Trump didn’t just get played, he chose to be played. Ignored his own intel, let Fox feed him a peace prize fantasy and handed Israel exactly what they wanted.

Trump’s Decision To Bomb Iran Was Influenced By Fox News: Report

New York Times reporter Helene Cooper cited Pentagon and administration officials who said the president was influenced by pro-war coverage.

www.huffpost.com

 

[wonko the sane?]

Why hire someone to laugh at him if you're going to be doing it involuntarily yourself every time you read one of his posts? I'd consider it one of the perks of the job.

Hiring nothing: israel has mandatory military service, and you don't need security clearance to know trump is full of jive. They got a room full of conscripts giggling at the dollar general dictator.

 

[Anonymous X]

That “Israel, NO!” tweet, I mean, how much does that absolutely debase the entire office of the president? I mean, I have no words.

 

[Pale Rider]

He wasn't debasing it before? This is what finally sealed it?

 

[Pale Rider]

So worth it...

Trump's Bombing Probably Set Iran's Nuclear Program Back By Mere Months, Report Says

The White House issued a snarky comment saying the assessment was leaked by an "anonymous, low-level loser."

www.huffpost.com