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A Long Time Ago In a Galaxy Far, Far Away.... - Star Wars General Discussion
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We don't know. And there is a format question. They said each week would skip a year or so, but they also said the last scene is the same day as Rogue One starts, which is 0 BBY. Maybe it is a coda. Or maybe they'll skip 2 years. Or maybe 2 episodes and another skip.
Rebels isn't EU.
Neither am I
Very excited for the upcoming finale. Andor has been some of the best Star Wars that I've ever seen, rivaling some of the best arcs of The Clone Wars.
I reviewed Dedra's scenes from last week, because I didn't have a good read on her last week.
It is somewhat open to interpretation, but I think my read now is that she is NOT feeling guilty NOR appalled by the Empire. She works in safe places and sees a dangerous situation piling up and she is nervous and scared and afterward she is reeling from the trauma of it.
It is somewhat open to interpretation, but I think my read now is that she is NOT feeling guilty NOR appalled by the Empire. She works in safe places and sees a dangerous situation piling up and she is nervous and scared and afterward she is reeling from the trauma of it.
Here's my read on Syril and Dedra:
Dedra was raised in an institution, where order and structure (and probably more than a little institutionalized conditioning) were likely paramount. For her, she felt safest when she was in control on her environment and her role in ISB seemed structured on maintaining order.
Syril was raised by a controlling, domineering mother in the more unstable. His personality ended up skewing to trying to create his own sense of order and control by combatting disorder common away from the "core worlds". His roles have largely been about creating order from chaos.
At Ferex, Dedra was placed in a situation she could not control, and it was Syril's rescue that re-established her sense of control (and he probably gravitated to her due to Freudian control issues stemming from his mother).
A big part of the Ghorman arc was how BOTH lost control and trust in the systems they held dear. Syril was working to maintain order (or so he thought), so the revelation that HE was actually the agent of chaos just wrecked his entire world view. Dedra, fearing another situation where she wasn't in control like in Ferex, didn't WANT to be directly involved with Ghorman, and her confidence was shaken. Syril, after finding out what the Empire was doing, felt betrayed by both the system AND Dedra, leading to the emotional outburst.
After Syril's death, Dedra came to the realization of how much the EMPIRE was the destabilizing element and just how little control she had. And with that lost of control, she lost probably the only other person she could love. I feel the culmination of the Ghorman campaign basically shattered her faith in systems she had spent her entire life to preserve and probably the only person she had ever, truly, loved besides her parents.
We will see where her character goes from there...tonight
Dedra was raised in an institution, where order and structure (and probably more than a little institutionalized conditioning) were likely paramount. For her, she felt safest when she was in control on her environment and her role in ISB seemed structured on maintaining order.
Syril was raised by a controlling, domineering mother in the more unstable. His personality ended up skewing to trying to create his own sense of order and control by combatting disorder common away from the "core worlds". His roles have largely been about creating order from chaos.
At Ferex, Dedra was placed in a situation she could not control, and it was Syril's rescue that re-established her sense of control (and he probably gravitated to her due to Freudian control issues stemming from his mother).
A big part of the Ghorman arc was how BOTH lost control and trust in the systems they held dear. Syril was working to maintain order (or so he thought), so the revelation that HE was actually the agent of chaos just wrecked his entire world view. Dedra, fearing another situation where she wasn't in control like in Ferex, didn't WANT to be directly involved with Ghorman, and her confidence was shaken. Syril, after finding out what the Empire was doing, felt betrayed by both the system AND Dedra, leading to the emotional outburst.
After Syril's death, Dedra came to the realization of how much the EMPIRE was the destabilizing element and just how little control she had. And with that lost of control, she lost probably the only other person she could love. I feel the culmination of the Ghorman campaign basically shattered her faith in systems she had spent her entire life to preserve and probably the only person she had ever, truly, loved besides her parents.
We will see where her character goes from there...tonight
Yeah, that's a pretty good read to me.
I think Dedra actually may be having emotional flaskbacks to Ferrix. I'm not sure Dedra thinks the Empire is doing something wrong except just some little flubs. But she didn't want to be where it was dangerous.
I am sort of disappointed that my week 2 read was wrong. I thought Dedra was caught in the middle because drawing out Axis through Syril was what she was really doing instead of what Krennic wanted her to do and when Partagaz warned her about not letting Syril know the real mission, the irony was that she was actually hiding the real mission from Partagaz.
I think Dedra actually may be having emotional flaskbacks to Ferrix. I'm not sure Dedra thinks the Empire is doing something wrong except just some little flubs. But she didn't want to be where it was dangerous.
I am sort of disappointed that my week 2 read was wrong. I thought Dedra was caught in the middle because drawing out Axis through Syril was what she was really doing instead of what Krennic wanted her to do and when Partagaz warned her about not letting Syril know the real mission, the irony was that she was actually hiding the real mission from Partagaz.
That was a damn strong ending. Won’t say much until everyone gets their chance but…yeah, STRONG ending all around.
The solved the timing issue by ignoring it. I don't know how much time could possibly elapse between the start of episode 10 and the battle of Yavin. I don't think it would be more than a month. But this episode was set 1 BBY.
Edit - I think I fell into the pedantic 0 BC trap. The year 1 BBY STARTS a year before Yavin. It doesn't end a year before Yavin. We've been a year closer this whole time.
Edit - I think I fell into the pedantic 0 BC trap. The year 1 BBY STARTS a year before Yavin. It doesn't end a year before Yavin. We've been a year closer this whole time.
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Perhaps, but remember that in our own system, while "BC" does designate a "before," AD does not designate an "after" (and, of course, the secular equivalents of "BCE" and "CE" help clarify this by not even suggesting an "after"). The Star Wars system of "BBY" and "ABY" does, on the other hand, offer both "before" and "after," suggesting that a "year 0" should indeed exist.
Counterpoint: The Battle of Yavin is a specific moment of time, rather than an entire year. I honestly don't know how Lucasfilm looks at this.
Couldn't agree more. The final scene got me emotional.
I think the system still works. For BBY, the year starts X amount of time before the Battle of Yavin. For ABY, the year is that many years after. In other words, 1 ABY is the first year after the battle, 2 ABY is the second year after the battle, and so on.
Star Wars posted something of a "look back" with the cast and crew of Andor. Beware, it assumes you've completed the series and it VERY MUCH discusses key plot events and spoilers:
I was surprised to see BBY on screen a few weeks ago. Have THEY ever used it?
It is dumb to me. A hamfisted way to make dating things from the first movie feel like a real dating system. But fans could really only use SOME subjective dating system. If Disney wants to use dates, they should create a calender and probably date from the establishment of the Old Republic.
I feel like what happened here was trying to use the fan system for fan service and trying to not be technically wrong, but in making it technically right they made it generally confusing. It certainly seems to be saying that this is all a year before Star Wars and it isn't.
It is dumb to me. A hamfisted way to make dating things from the first movie feel like a real dating system. But fans could really only use SOME subjective dating system. If Disney wants to use dates, they should create a calender and probably date from the establishment of the Old Republic.
I feel like what happened here was trying to use the fan system for fan service and trying to not be technically wrong, but in making it technically right they made it generally confusing. It certainly seems to be saying that this is all a year before Star Wars and it isn't.
The only real problem would come from aligning with the Galactic Resynchronized Calendar. I may have mentioned this before, but permit me to explain....
(We have to go out-of-universe for a bit here, and note that very early notes for the saga -- which made their way into third-party sourcebooks such as A Guide To The Star Wars Universe -- placed the end of the Clone Wars at around 35 BBY. The Prequel Trilogy did, of course, set the Clone Wars as occurring between 22 and 19 BBY. This necessitated some changes, especially as 35 BBY was still pegged on the timelines as being of some import.)
In response to various calendrical irregularities that had been cropping up in the Old Republic, a new datekeeping system was rolled out some 965 years after the Ruusan Reformations that reshaped the Republic in the wake of the New Sith Wars.
The GR calendar appears to have mapped 1:1 to the Imperial calendar that was instituted shortly after the inauguration (albeit shifted by years accordingly. I could not find any reference on Wookieepedia as to whether a Year 0 was used, but as the transition of galactic government was declared on 16:5:23 GR, it seems likely that an incomplete transitional year was used for 16 GR, with IY1 starting on the following New Year's Week), and indeed as with the renaming of Coruscant to "Imperial Center", the new and old systems appear to have been used equally, with deprecation of the prior system mostly being on official government documents.
Arhul Hextrophon and the New Republic Historical Council, however, complicated matters. The Battle of Yavin took place on 35:3:8 GR (or notionally IY 19:3:8), and in declaring this the turning point of hope for the galaxy the NRHC proposed that the new year start on that date -- placing the GR years 2 months out of synch with the Yavin-based system. This while the GR calendar was still in early double digits, mind you.
(The Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty likely would have led to the GR calendar being used as a neutral frame of historical reference for scholars from both the New Republic and Pellaeon's Empire attempting to reclaim whatever documents were buried or destroyed by Palpatine, if for no other reason that it was not based on any ideological framework. However, to avoid confusion, I must declare my parenthetical assertion to be speculative based on the notion that (whether concession-riddled or not) some historical framework in common would be needed by both governments.)
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It really doesn't cause any issues. Imagine mapping it to earth months. 1BBY Dec 31st, the next day is 1 ABY January 1st.
This system gives easy to read context to viewers. The 3rd §∆£ of |•€¥ is just sci-fi gobelty gook nonsense that means nothing to anyone outside hardcore turbo nerds. Silly, but obvious almost real world comps are a Star Wars tradition, cafe=coffee, Jizz=Jazz etc.
I think the issue for those like Axaday is that BBY is for fans "Before Battle of Yavin" in universe, there is no reason to have the year like that, as no one knows that there will be a Battle at Yavin. Using BBY and ABY seems to be for fans or viewers only. I am somewhere in between. It feels like something that on the Computers in-universe should use something different, and have narrative OOC info presented in an OOC fashion. But then, I also just don't give enough of a hug to actually be bothered about it despite my feelings.