Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread
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The Congressmen who support Trump because he will sign their bills and make their job easy bail when he makes their job hard. The Congressmen who support Trump because their constituents want them to bail when their constituents don't want them to. The Congressmen who support Trump because they are afraid he will cause them to lose their next election bail when supporting him will cause them to lose their next election. Trump can DEFINITELY turn them against himself if he can't pull out of this nosedive by summer.
There are quite a lot of Republicans wringing their hands raw over this, particularly in the wake of Elon's money absolutely failing to provide the GOP with an important election victory in Wisconsin. Treasury secretary Scott Bessent currently looks absolutely shell-shocked by Trump's idiotic trade-war, so I agree with Ax that should this Trade War BS continue, Trump could face open revolt from his own party.
I hope the Democrats do everything they can to try to stop this, but fail through no fault of their own. I want this country to have to live out the consequences of this madness as long as it takes for at least a majority of Trump's voters to realize they made a horrible mistake, and for a significant number to realize that it would be another mistake to ever trust a single R with their vote again, at any level.
And if that's asking too much, I want this country to collapse because that's what it deserves.
And if that's asking too much, I want this country to collapse because that's what it deserves.
And how does he pull up? He can't walk back this without looking like he made a mistake: someone else will have stop it and they'll be throwing themselves under the bus if they do. They'll become trump cult enemy number 1 for daring to defy great leader. Unless the whole lot of them find a spine and coordinate on not only walking back the tariffs, but also popping the 25th amendment: trump will just call for their (metaphorical) heads and have them primaried.
If they do nothing: we get at least two years of this, assuming the voting in the US is still legit and the hope that dems sweep the mids.
If they do nothing: we get at least two years of this, assuming the voting in the US is still legit and the hope that dems sweep the mids.
This could finally be the end of Trump. But I doubt it. It is far more likely to be the end of the US as we know it. Our position of leadership in the world. The use of the dollar as the default currency. Our reputation as a source of security.
If Trump continues this path, he destroys so much of our world as we know it. If he backs down, he destroys himself. We all know what path he will take. I sincerely hope that everyone who has propped him up, helped him, and enables him hurts as much if not more than everyone he is actively ******* over in his pursuit of power and revenge.
If Trump continues this path, he destroys so much of our world as we know it. If he backs down, he destroys himself. We all know what path he will take. I sincerely hope that everyone who has propped him up, helped him, and enables him hurts as much if not more than everyone he is actively ******* over in his pursuit of power and revenge.
Unless the rich realize how much their fortunes are in danger and force their bought-and-paid-for politicians to step in, we're all boned. Trump does not have the capacity to admit fault; he won't willingly back down, no matter what happens. He'll have to be forced out, one way or another, or he's going to drag us all down with him.
Exactly. He does not back down. Never admit, never retreat. Always deny, always lie, always deflect.
Until someone with a bigger stick holds him to account, he will not stop. And, honestly, the last 'biggest stick' was SCOTUS. They neutered themselves. What is left?
Even if trump was dragged into the street tonight, killed mob style, and the body burned, along with the absolute and unequivocal promise that the economy would be returned to the state it was on nov 5th, 2024: the US's status in the world is still DOA.
Your country cannot be trusted to not do this again. How long until the fascist party gets elected into actual power again? How badly do they hug things up trying to keep it? This could only end with the fall of the american empire: you can either be the kindly old sod, handing out hard earned wisdom on which mistakes to avoid, or just another dead tyrant.
I don't know if it is true or what will happen, but Trump said today that Vietnam was negotiating. If he gets any concession at all, he can announce that that was what he was trying to get. Lift tariff on Vietnam before it even starts (??). That will get others to the table. I realize Vietnam isn't what the stock market is worried about, but a pile of similar countries makes it plausible to a red hat that Trump stood up to the world and showed them the USA is boss. Honestly a lot of countries that size probably are going to cave. What is Madagascar going to do if they can't sell vanilla to the USA? They are going to have to do what he wants. So to some extent it is really going to be true that the tariffs worked as a negotiation tactic. It is thuggy, but it will be effective.
Bigger countries are bristling, but some of them might cave. He doesn't have to have that. There are lots of other weasely openings too. Any country that isn't playing can be said to have solved one of his imaginary problems. If it looks like the House of Representatives is going to stop the Canada tariffs, Trump just needs to say they finally got serious about Fentanyl. A bunch of NATO countries have increased their defense spending. He can lift EU tariffs because of that. Absolutely any country can turn out to have stopped "manipulating currency". If he gets some lucky and some good timing, he can pull up.
If he digs in, I think there is a very good possibility that he blows up his whole deal.
This is the most likely outcome imo. He will get "concessions" and "wins" as a variety of countries do things like take action on a nearly non existent fentynal trade. Trump will then crow about the "winning". It will be a mix of platetitudes and tangible wins.
Nintendo Halts Switch 2 Pre-Orders Over Trump's Tariffs - Kotaku
New tariffs threaten massive price hikes on gaming hardware and other consumer goods
kotaku.com
Trump's gonna cost Republicans the geek vote.
Okay... he's repeatedly proven he can't be trusted. At all. How many times does he need to "win" in a year to keep the tariffs off?
Some countries might be willing to negotiate now: but how many times will they negotiate with a guy who never honours his contracts before they realize he will not stop?
The toy-collecting geeks are already getting up in arms over the arguably meager increases in collectable prices thus far, so this is just more fuel for that particular fire.
I don't have any answers for your questions.
I am shocked by how
I am shocked by the apathy and inaction of the moneyed classes as Trump destroys them. The guy is way worse for business than Karen Silkwood.
Guess people were wrong to be moved by this speech, it was as purely a fantasy as a lightsaber fight:
I am shocked by the apathy and inaction of the moneyed classes as Trump destroys them. The guy is way worse for business than Karen Silkwood.
Guess people were wrong to be moved by this speech, it was as purely a fantasy as a lightsaber fight:
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In all seriousness, Trump's previous behavior of 'will he or won't he' on tariffs harms his position here. He has shown that he is untrustworthy, that everything is transactional. He may agree one day, but the next demand something new entirely. There is zero faith that he'll keep his word or that he won't just arbitrarily punish an entire country because one of his psychotic hangers on read something on reddit that made them mad. (looking at you, Loomer)
The tariffs on their own are a bad idea that has absolutely cratered the economy already. The idea that they're a "negotiating tool" is a fantasy pushed by Trump supporters desperate to show that the Orangutan in Chief is playing chess while in reality he's jive on the board and is now drawing funny pictures with the pieces.
The tariffs on their own are a bad idea that has absolutely cratered the economy already. The idea that they're a "negotiating tool" is a fantasy pushed by Trump supporters desperate to show that the Orangutan in Chief is playing chess while in reality he's jive on the board and is now drawing funny pictures with the pieces.
Calling it a negotiating tool is a rosy way of talking about it. I believe that the purpose of the tariffs in their purest form is to show everyone in the world how important Donald Trump is. But the negotiating tool part comes in because if a nation comes and kisses his ring and pleads with him for mercy and gives him some kind of tribute that he can display, he is willing to lower or drop the tariff. He sells it as getting America a better deal, but it is really very personal.