Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread
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Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)
Trump confirms that he plans to deport US citizens who have undocumented parents
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Some of them absolutely will.
They are outnumbered though.
They are outnumbered though.
Yes.
And he OWNS the Supreme Court already. he'll put at least 2 more on there at least...
People who don't click the link may assume a broader scope than what he said. While I believe he is going the wrong direction, it is a Constitutional puzzle what to do in the situation he is talking about. He's not talking about deporting adults for their parent's crime. He is talking about not letting undocumented grownups stay just because they have a dependent child that was born here, the so-called anchor babies. Families in that situation have generally been treated with leniency either because of principles or because it is such a bad look to go after them, but Trump's public position now is zero tolerance.Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)
Trump confirms that he plans to deport US citizens who have undocumented parents
There is a Constitutional gap because the 14th Amendment was written in 1866 with the direct purpose of clarifying that all of the slaves born in the United States were citizens. There was no immigration process then. There were no visas. Anyone who could arrange the journey could move to the United States. It wasn't until 1924 that you need a visa and quotes were established. If Trump does what he is talking about here, it will certainly get to the Supreme Court. The ACLU will be itching to represent a deported legal citizen and the Supreme Court will have to rule. I'm not gonna bet on what they will decide, not simply because there are so many Trump appointees but because if they decided to be strict constructionist the 14th Amendment really wasn't written to address the children of people who came into the country illegally. I won't be shocked if they said that doesn't count.
I don't know if 47 will be different. There are signals that he is taking things more seriously. But people do forget how lazy 45 was. He did damage, but he promised a LOT more damage than he delivered because he is lazy and cares a lot more than he pretends to about what his detractors say about him. It is HIGHLY likely that he will report that he has deported 98% of undocumented immigrants, but the job is immensely more difficult than he presents it. We have estimates how many there are, but obviously they didn't get counted. Trumpism talks like the main issue is people sneaking across the border or showing up at the checkpoints and Biden letting them in, but the former are uncounted and more likely smugglers than immigrants and the latter are usually staying in contact and cooperating with legal processes. The bigger picture is people who get a temporary visa and then disappear and don't renew. Those people are very hard to find and we don't know how many there are because any of them may have not renewed because they left again. It is a reasonable supposition that the Trump administration will make some high profile showy moves and find that the bulk of the work is too difficult, which is one of the reasons his predecessors haven't done it, and then declare victory.
Hey now, how dare you present a thorough, reasoned response to a post instead of knee-jerking so hard your kneecaps are mush.
The way I look at it is that the phrasing is pretty clear, despite why it was put there. If they want to change what the constitution says, they should amend the document. The people who wrote the 14th amendment are all long dead, so we can't exactly get their opinion on the matter. I personally don't see much leeway but to rule against it, if they really are originalists and don't just claim to be so as a shield towards their true tendencies.
And a lot more Trump-voters suddenly get buyer's remorse.
While he is not very articulate in the full version, the clip seems intentionally cut to paint it in the worst possible way.
While it's not crystal clear, due to how broken his speech and trains of thought often are, he is not talking about directly deporting children that have birthright citizenship, but that if there parents are being deported, and there is not a safe, legal caretaker that the parent can entrust the child to, then obviously the child would go with the parent.
This has been there response to "you can't deport parents here illegally because you will split up the family" there argument is that they are not "forcing" a separation. The parents have the right to take there children with them, or to leave them here with an appropriate guardian if one is available.
And countered by the guy who will be running the deportation getting giddy over putting kids in cages. Doesn't matter what trump says: because he's a compulsive liar. We can wait till they start and see what they actually do, or we can start fighting it right now.
I think you put a nicer face on it than is real. He didn't sound like he was trying to figure out if there was another place the put the kids before sending them away. He straight out says in the interview that just being born inside the border is going to have to go. The hopes are that he will be too lazy to work on it or that he won't be able to get it done, not that he will try not to have it come to that.
He said he hopes to do it through executive action, which is ridiculous notion you would only hear from an ignoramus. But an ignoramus was on the menu and we ordered one.
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That is the stretchiest use of "a lot" that I have heard today.
Edit - Dude claims to be an expert on absolutely every subject that appears important to him and he doesn't know a whole lot about ANYTHING. I'd bet $20 he isn't even a good golfer.
Edit - After some research, I am not shaking on that golf bet. Testimony says that he moves his ball and exaggerates his scores after the game, but that he is a genuinely good amateur if he didn't.
Edit - Dude claims to be an expert on absolutely every subject that appears important to him and he doesn't know a whole lot about ANYTHING. I'd bet $20 he isn't even a good golfer.
Edit - After some research, I am not shaking on that golf bet. Testimony says that he moves his ball and exaggerates his scores after the game, but that he is a genuinely good amateur if he didn't.
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Good thing he put his initials at the end. I would've had no idea who tweeted that otherwise.
A dementia patient spouts nonsense? Dunno why you're pointing me at it.
Seriously though: Try it. I wonder how many dead americans we can pile before you all give up.