Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread
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Yeah, nation learned its lesson with nixon, thanks for mentioning though.
Comeuppance is such a funny word. I wanted comeuppance for Trump and he wanted it for himself. It is looking right now like he's gonna get the kind he wanted.
I'm going to bed soon. It isn't impossible for her to come back, but right now Trump is the smart money.
I have been in your universe for about a year now. I wish I knew how to go home.
He's going to be vindicated. He's going to stop most of the cases against him. He's going to abandon Ukraine. He's going too how everyone who he is and it isn't going to matter.
I'm going to bed soon. It isn't impossible for her to come back, but right now Trump is the smart money.
I have been in your universe for about a year now. I wish I knew how to go home.
He's going to be vindicated. He's going to stop most of the cases against him. He's going to abandon Ukraine. He's going too how everyone who he is and it isn't going to matter.
******* stunning. This asshole is going to die having faced barely any consequences for all his crimes. Just unbe-*******-lievable.
If you want a silver lining, he can only stop the investigations of his past crimes and if you know know Donald Trump like I do, you know he is going to keep doing crimes.
His attorneys had already acknowledged that a lot of the stuff in the indictment was not official duties. The indictment was refreshed with almost everything intact and was going forward. He will squelch that one, but he'll be guilty again by the time he leaves office.
When he leaves office; you mean in the body bag?
We spent four years dragging our feet about actually prosecuting him because we were so convinced he couldn't possibly ever be a threat again. History is going to remember the Biden administration the same way it remembers Neville Chamberlain. Assuming humanity survives long enough for there to be a history to remember them at all.
FWIW, I sort of feel the same. I still can't believe that The Powers That Be spent four years not putting Trump away behind bars for (at least) January 6th. I mean, I will admit that I lack understanding of the US federal law system beyond the most rudimentary level, but c'mon, he tried to overthrown the whole system of government!
It takes time to build cases and in this case it probably takes a bit to build the courage. Indictments came out over a year ago and it was hard to believe when analysts said they might not be done in time. It takes forever, especially if the client knows how to game the schedule. Some of his litigation went all the way to the Supreme Court!
I don't believe in the supernatural, so if anyone has an earthly explanation for how he gets everything to go his way, I'd love to hear it.
For Christ's sake, he's getting away with not only inciting an insurrection, but stealing (and let's be honest — selling) national secrets. The Rosenbergs got executed for less, but this mother****er gets re-elected president! I ******* can't anymore with this man.
I used to hope that he'd live a long life so he could spend an adequate amount of time in prison, but since that's obviously never going to happen I'll settle for him dropping dead from a health issue A.S.A.P.
For Christ's sake, he's getting away with not only inciting an insurrection, but stealing (and let's be honest — selling) national secrets. The Rosenbergs got executed for less, but this mother****er gets re-elected president! I ******* can't anymore with this man.
I used to hope that he'd live a long life so he could spend an adequate amount of time in prison, but since that's obviously never going to happen I'll settle for him dropping dead from a health issue A.S.A.P.
Here’s my issue:
Trump drops dead, his aura of chaos goes away with us being stuck with Vance and all the cronies Trump manages to put in place before he keels.
Trump is a glorified dancing monkey, but he has enough disruptive effects that he can screw up his OWN side as well as everyone else. Take him away? We get actual, scarily competent, evil fuckers running things and likely able to do so without a lot of attention being brought upon them. Then again, without his cult of personality, maybe people will actually pay attention to what people like Vance are actually trying to push upon the government and the people?
But I sill hold even odds Trump will not survive his second term. At 78, iffy health and declining mental state, if he doesn’t have a medical malady, then I almost suspect he’ll be quietly “25th’ed” and be propped as a figure head like Weekend at Bernies to cover for his declining mental faculties.
I remember being worried about DeSantis winning the primary, because he seemed to be Trump with more savvy and actual commitment. In the time since I haven't been sure about that savvy part.
When I was watching the VP debate, I found a different Vance than I expected. I wouldn't vote for him because what I found isn't what I like either, but I think he would improve with Trump's shadow off of him. Pence came to work for Trump because Trump needed mainline legitimacy, but this time around, whether literally or figuratively, Trump was needing an oath of loyalty. I assumed Vance would just be a toad. He may have taken the oath, but at his age an oath of loyalty to a 78-year-old man that can launch you into the national spotlight is not so hard. Vance is getting more out of the deal that Trump is. What I thought at the time was that they're going to lose and Vance is actually going to come out unscathed because he is smarter than that I expected. I think he surprised Walz too.
He's only scary to me in the sense of being a pretty electable Republican. If we're to have a Republican President, I think he'd be quite a bit better than Trump. I still think DeSantis would be worse.
Something just occurred to me: if Trump manages to pull some bullshit and run for a third term, won't that make Obama eligible to run for a third term as well?
No.
Trump running for a third term would mean that SCOTUS would need to invalidate the plain text of the 22nd Amendment (like they did the 14th!) but it will be some long baseless explanation that will only apply to Trump.
More likely I think is Trump is running as Vance’s VP and then just doing the rallies and whatnot like he’s still President. That would presumably still stop state lawsuits since they can’t stop a VP like they can’t stop a President.
Trump running for a third term would mean that SCOTUS would need to invalidate the plain text of the 22nd Amendment (like they did the 14th!) but it will be some long baseless explanation that will only apply to Trump.
More likely I think is Trump is running as Vance’s VP and then just doing the rallies and whatnot like he’s still President. That would presumably still stop state lawsuits since they can’t stop a VP like they can’t stop a President.
With his age and health, I don't expect Trump to even survive to run for another term. But then again, the Reaper's been a prick about it lately.
Republicans have spent a very long time instilling a hate for education and the educated into their base. Which largely translates to: the only electable republican is an idiot. Think about it, the only "smart" ones left are either long time incumbents (most of whom are bugging out.) or appointed. Vance (whom I only call smart because he is technically capable even though he's a ******* monster.) had to be picked by trump, and the supreme court justices were appointed.
This is not better: stupid people can do just as much damage as smart ones.
This is not better: stupid people can do just as much damage as smart ones.
I don't think the cult was even that important of a factor. Trump edged out Harris the same way Clinton beat Bush, by appealing to economic issues and the perennial assumption that the current president is always to blame for that and that replacing him with the guy in the opposite party can only ever be an improvement. Any other Republican would beaten Harris by just as much if not more.
The pendulum is always swinging. Gone are the days of one party dominating the election cycle for decades at a stretch, no matter how competent or popular they are and no matter how awful the other one is. The only important factors are: (1) the vast majority of voters are loyal to their party no matter what, ensuring they can never drop off the political landscape for long; and (2) everyone else is fickle and will throw the current regime under the bus as soon as things start to go badly for them, regardless of who or what the alternative is.