Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Paladin

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and in a related surprise spring from the scientific community:

Hydrogen and Oxygen combine to make water.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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Biden has to tread very carefully. If there is a big Russia investigation right now that is going to look VERY familiar to Trump's supporters.
I don't disagree... but if the republican nominee for president in an election happening in less than a month is actively, continually and currently committing treason that is something the voters definitely need to know, and like right now.
 

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Also, remember what the Supreme Court said earlier this year about "official capacity." Whatever it takes to keep that madman out of the White House, Joe. Whatever. It. Takes. I hope I speak for all of us when I say I stand with you and I'm ready to accept the consequences.
 

Axaday

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My fear is just that the full court press causes him to win.

This will be in the news for a few days and that will have some effect and until after the election it might be better to just settle for that.

Next year, I think this will be a blip in all the trouble he'll be in.
 

Axaday

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At the very least, I am convinced that Trump generally doesn't know what is the truth and has been surrounded by sycophants enough of his life that he has the impression that when he shoots from the hip, his instinct is generally right.

I halfway suspect he doesn't really believe "the truth" is a thing or a thing that has any importance. He may believe that everyone in the whole world is just saying what they want other people to think and he is better at it than most.
 

Ungnome

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So our choices are non answers or non answers with a side order.of easily fact checked lies. Think I'll go for first option. Likely cost less in the long run.
 

Axaday

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We have had a lot of different kinds of President in my lifetime. If someone can manage to get elected, anything that they lack can be supplied by helpers. Yeah, it is reassuring when a candidate can answer a lot of cold questions, because it demonstrates that they've thought things through and have a foundational understanding. Someone like that can be counted on to be consistent. But it isn't actually necessary for them to know all the answers. I haven't been watching interviews. I saw Kamala Harris dodge some questions in the debate (and a lot of times in the weeks after Biden's debate). I guess I don't understand how she was childish. She was evasive and that is how someone is when they mean to evade something. When I have seen her evasive, it was when she was asked a question whose possible answers are both problematic. She is in a delicate position, wanting as much of Biden shine as she can get and as little of the stink. The other side is trying to reverse that on her and the path between the gutters is narrow. There is no politically advantageous answer to "You've been in there for 3.5 years, why haven't you already implemented your plan." The answer is that she hasn't been in charge, but she cannot have a recording of that in her voice. I haven't seen her dodging questions because she didn't know the answer. Maybe someone could provide me a clip.

Ultimately, I'm not concerned with whether either of them knows the answer to a cold question. I do not want a President that makes snap decisions and I also don't want one that thinks they know everything. I wish candidates would say they didn't know when they didn't know. The President always has enough time to ask for some advice, even with an ICBM in the sky. And there's pretty much no one who won't answer when POTUS asks for a phone a friend.

The absolutely essential skill that cannot be supplemented is the ability to assess their own abilities. If you don't know you need help, you won't get it. Something that has been very clearly and very openly demonstrated for more than a decade is that Donald Trump is a total failure at assessing his own abilities. With all of his terrible shortcomings, he could be a much better President if he would read his teleprompt, vet his public statements, and find and heed good policy advisors. But he won't. You know he won't. I believe Kamala Harris will get advice and make a good first draft on building her team and I believe she will also listen to criticism and adapt. Not because of what I've seen her do, but because people who are elected President do this. It's the normal thing. They want to do a good job, whether because of patriotism or because history has its eyes on them. Donald Trump not doing it is an outlier.

That clip above is a preeminent demonstration of Trump's problem and he won't see it. He is criticizing Harris' ability to answer a cold question, because he believes he does it well and he doesn't. His failure to see that is why he is a failure as a leader. News media said Harris had intense preparation for the debate and I think there is probably an indication in there that some of the skills to win a debate are struggles for her, but she practiced and prepared and she mopped the floor with him and none of THOSE skills themselves are the essential skill that she needs. The essential skill was that she did the intense preparation because she knew she needed it. The whole week leading up to the debate CNN was reporting that insiders said Harris would goad Trump's ego to knock him off balance. I'm sure his campaign reads CNN. I'm sure they mentioned it to him. But it still worked. Because Trump has no story arc. He will not improve himself. He will not listen to good advice. His shortcomings cannot be bridged.
 
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MrBlud

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Bluster is often confused with knowledge.

If you asked both candidates a super niche question about a super niche discipline they both do not have a good understanding of then…

Kamala likely wouldn’t say she didn’t know but would pivot into something about having a great team around her to handle such things.

Trump would try to answer it and (again, try!) to sound like he knows what he’s doing even though he was just as clueless as Harris.
 

Axaday

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Kamala likely wouldn’t say she didn’t know but would pivot into something about having a great team around her to handle such things.
A really good answer is, "I'm looking forward to really digging into that and getting all of the ideas on the table." See? From this, the listener can unpack "It isn't going to be my job to have 50 PhDs. It is going to be my job to make the decision." And probably Kamala's supporters are more interested in hearing that than Trump's are.
 


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