I kinda feel that at this point trying to replace Biden as the candidate is just going to guarantee defeat.
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You aren't alone in that sentiment, and there's arguments in the DNC to call the primary for biden right now to end the talk of replacement.
it's all happening again. "He's too OLD" is the new "but her emails."
I bet that editorial board's next piece is going to be a doozy.
My wife thinks Michelle Obama should run.....I kinda agree with her.
What color of state do you live in? I live in Oklahoma and maybe that puts me TOO close to it and maybe it doesn't even matter what my neighbors think because of the Electoral College, but around here she is just as poisoned as Hillary. And it's a shame. I think Hillary earned her negatives and Michelle didn't, but there you go.
Edit - I also get a really weird vibe from the idea. I don't think it'd ever be unconstitutional or go to courts, but I really don't like the idea of a someone running after their spouse hit the term limit. I know Hillary and Michelle are not their husbands and I know they didn't sit in the Oval Office and make the decisions. But I suppose that the purpose of the term limit is to keep someone from amassing too much power and I think a spouse team can do that. (And Hillary, if you are listening, divorcing Bill now doesn't fix it for you.). I remember this time 8 years ago when I was pretty sure Hillary was going to win and I didn't love it. I certainly preferred it to Trump winning, but 1980-1988 Bush VP, 1988-1992 Bush POTUS, 1992-2000 Clinton POTUS, 2000-2008 Bush POTUS, 2008-2012 Clinton Secretary of State and then 2016-2020 Clinton POTUS? I would almost back legislation that you can't run for President if there's even been one with your last name in the last 20 years.
Beyond, I really think Michelle wasn't nearly as involved as Hillary was. A sounding board and advisor for her husband in the capacity of his spouse, certainly, but I really don't think she ever wanted to be the First Lady or ever wants to be President. She has a platform now that she can use for whatever and I think she means to just use that.
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Michelle Obama is nothing but media wishcasting. She's made it very clear on many, many occasions that she absolutely hates politics.
Hillary didn't need the whole 3 decades. She could have lost to Trump sooner. People were SO much better at hating a Democratic President and his wife by 2008 than they were in 1998 too. Plus, she's black.
We still have one of those.
It's EASIER to hate on Hillary Clinton than it is Michelle Obama. Hillary has a slight arrogant edge to her that the Republicans were quick to magnify and focus on. Michelle does not. There's also the baggage brought by her husband, again, not something Michelle would have to deal with. Outside of Republican circles, Barack Obama is generally liked, or at least tolerable. Not that it matters, she, like Jon Stewart, won't run.
Well, now I want to see her birth certificate too.
The point to that statement being: republicans do not need to find a reason and will literally manufacture an excuse; the guy who set that standard is still running for office. And it doesn't matter who is running.
I am curious what color of state you live in too. Michelle is definitely called arrogant around here. I know people who say she is a man and call her Michael. I know people who say she was the one that told Barack what to do. And Barack is definitely not better liked than Bill around here. "Not really a citizen" "Not REALLY black" "The most liberal President in history (before Biden came along)" "The most crooked President in history (before Biden came along).
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Don't get me wrong, the right wingers hate the Obama's with a passion(despite many of Barack's policies being more center-right than left), but they NEVER found a way to impeach him and generally speaking, from what I've seen, the Obama's(both of them) are better liked overall than the Clinton's by the fence-sitters, who, really, are the only ones we are likely to reach anyway. At least from what I've seen. Of course some of that may be because I was rather politically apathetic in my 20s, when the second term of Clinton was in full steam and lived with people with mostly right wing views at the time, which likely skewed my views.
Honestly, that makes her more qualified in a way because if she did run it would be out of actual duty(see: the Hitchiker's Guide theory on who is best to put in power) but I also kind of agree with Axaday that these familial connections can be a bit much, and it does feel more like the traditional aristocrat thing of families staying in power. Republic of Haven(if you're a Honorverse reader) anyone? It was a a bit of a caricature in a lot of ways, but the whole Legislaturist families thing is what I'm thinking of here. Even if it is with good intentions, once the norms are set, others can and would use that to keep in power.
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Also, and I can't believe I'm the first one to bring this up, Hillary had way more actual political experience. She had sat on various committees, was a senator for eight years, and then Secretary of State. Being married to a former President seems to be Michelle's only real achievement so far.
The biggest issue Hillary has is that other women hate her. Especially red state women. For any reason you can imagine, none them what I would call valid. The second Michelle becomes a political threat, the right wing will unleash their media arsenal on her and soon the same would happen. Except it would happen quicker because we have a population that's become used to having their opinions spoon fed to them and, hate to say it, she's black. There's no escaping that being a black woman will absolutely hurt her in many red states.
I know, I hate that too, I don't like acknowledging that such attitudes exist, but its there and ignoring it will not do anyone any favors.
I believe there is at least one more debate. Biden better be prepared and have his midafternoon nap beforehand. A better performance in the second will end this discussion.
I know, I hate that too, I don't like acknowledging that such attitudes exist, but its there and ignoring it will not do anyone any favors.
I believe there is at least one more debate. Biden better be prepared and have his midafternoon nap beforehand. A better performance in the second will end this discussion.