if other Democrats are starting to admit there's a problem, there might be a big ******* problem.
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if other Democrats are starting to admit there's a problem, there might be a big ******* problem.
Again: the polls are wrong. The people whom are going to vote for biden don't answer unknown numbers and don't participate in polls. It's the very literal, very actual other side of the coin from republicans consistently underperforming. They don't have anything else to gauge the process by, but the gauge is just ******* wrong these days.
OK, I don’t fully understand US politics, because it’s ‘unique’ in the western democratic world. Is there anything stopping the Democratic Party from having a different presidential candidate if Biden continues to poll bad and/or becomes incapacitated?
Technically, no. But it's so far into the election propaganda cycle already that switching gears like that would turn the whole campaign into a total train wreck.
Also, there are very few circumstances where it would be OK with the public for either party to just declare by fiat that their front-runner is being pulled out of the race in favor of someone nobody voted for. Once upon a time, party leaders would hold private caucuses and decide on who to run in the upcoming election. Somewhere around a century ago, they both decided to stop doing that and open it up to voting by any registered member of their party. It's more complicated than that (every state runs their primaries a little differently; the Democrats still appoint a small number of unelected delegates who could override the majority in a really close race; etc), but it's generally understood that the days of "meeting in smoke-filled rooms" to decide who to put on the ballot are over.
The youth vote is less "unreported" and more 'disappearing.'
www.semafor.com
‘A dying empire led by bad people’: Poll finds young voters despairing over US politics
A new survey may help explain Joe Biden’s recent struggles with the under-30 set.
www.semafor.com
Young people don't reliably vote. Tale as old as time.
If they hate things so bad NOW that they refuse to vote once every couple years to try and fix a wounded country; they’re really going to hate trying to survive in a collapsed one!
Don’t get me wrong. Things are definitely bad here but not having running water, food or sanitation is a worse these kids can’t even imagine. That’s just the men too, women will have all that AND further horrors.
Don’t get me wrong. Things are definitely bad here but not having running water, food or sanitation is a worse these kids can’t even imagine. That’s just the men too, women will have all that AND further horrors.
since Biden's been in office the younger voters have seen food prices out of control, housing become even MORE unaffordable, the end of Roe, trans rights in constant danger and American tax money used to bomb civilians.
voting AGAINST another person doing all that isn't enough to get support. Biden needs to offer people something to vote FOR beyond damage control.
voting AGAINST another person doing all that isn't enough to get support. Biden needs to offer people something to vote FOR beyond damage control.
This in the article kind of cracked me up
because during the 2012 campaign Biden once told a largely black audience that as president Mitt Romney would put them back in chains. Now it's "it's not like this is Mitt Romney we're talking about!"
Partly Trump's fault. Things a President does that can effect the economy take a couple of years to work.
Also the difference between the costs now and the costs 15 years ago don't really matter to people who can't afford what it would have cost 15 years ago anyway.
Directly done by literal Trump appointees.
I've literally never even seen anyone blame Biden for it.
IIRC, Biden has passed more new protections for trans people than any other President.
Again, it's Republicans who keep trying to undo them, and I don't see many people (besides transphobes) saying otherwise.
Who's running for President that won't do the same?
Realistically, it's not really about whose doing what: but whose succeeding. And the republicans are doing a very good job of ******* everything up, and biden and democrats aren't doing a great job fixing: for various reasons, mostly republicans. They're making progress, but you also have half of your political class intent on tearing it back down.
Here's the paradox: those disillusioned kids need to come out and vote in massive numbers to fix it, but you can't much convince them to actually do it. Same with trumps cult: all the evidence in the world won't convince them trump isn't their messiah.
They need to be informed that voting isn't just important: but it's necessary and easy to do. The outcome needs to be shown to be greater than the inconvenience or apathy. Same thing I told you all to do: unplug for a few weeks, straighten out your heads, and come back stronger.
Here's the paradox: those disillusioned kids need to come out and vote in massive numbers to fix it, but you can't much convince them to actually do it. Same with trumps cult: all the evidence in the world won't convince them trump isn't their messiah.
They need to be informed that voting isn't just important: but it's necessary and easy to do. The outcome needs to be shown to be greater than the inconvenience or apathy. Same thing I told you all to do: unplug for a few weeks, straighten out your heads, and come back stronger.
Not often I fully agree with you, but here we are.
Regardless of who started the trend, this is happening under Biden's watch. he has had opportunities to walk back some of the worst of Trump's decisions, like expanding SCOTUS. he has chosen not to for reasons. There is a reason why young people are so angry nowadays. They know they're being screwed.
Again, doesn't matter who started the ball rolling, its who is holding the ball now.
Do you have any statistics to back this claim? If you have statistics counter to what I posted earlier I would be very interested in seeing them.
Biden can’t expand the Supreme Court while the filibuster exists.
So the “reason” is it’s been impossible the entirety of his administration.
It's not that young people don't show up. It's that young people don't like showing up for no obvious reason.
I remember the 2010 midterms. I remember all the idiot talking heads blaming young people for not showing up. I remember the patronizing "Oh, young people just don't show up for midterms. We know that. They show up for the president, because he's like a celebrity. They don't actually care about anything." takes from political analysts who almost certainly did not talk to a single young person before coming up with their psychoanalysis.
I also remember what happened before election day. I remember every idiot Democrat in that election running on a message of "Hey Republicans. Don't be afraid of me. I'm just like you. I have concerns about Obamacare too. But don't vote for the Tea Party guy because he's krazy with a k." They forgot the part where they were supposed to talk to Democrat voters and actually promise us something. We got the occasional lecture that we were supposed to show up to defend the progress the administration made so far. But the candidates were spending more time distancing themselves personally from any of that progress than making a case for it, or for what they'd do next.
I don't know what's going to happen this time. Anything can still change at this point.
I remember the 2010 midterms. I remember all the idiot talking heads blaming young people for not showing up. I remember the patronizing "Oh, young people just don't show up for midterms. We know that. They show up for the president, because he's like a celebrity. They don't actually care about anything." takes from political analysts who almost certainly did not talk to a single young person before coming up with their psychoanalysis.
I also remember what happened before election day. I remember every idiot Democrat in that election running on a message of "Hey Republicans. Don't be afraid of me. I'm just like you. I have concerns about Obamacare too. But don't vote for the Tea Party guy because he's krazy with a k." They forgot the part where they were supposed to talk to Democrat voters and actually promise us something. We got the occasional lecture that we were supposed to show up to defend the progress the administration made so far. But the candidates were spending more time distancing themselves personally from any of that progress than making a case for it, or for what they'd do next.
I don't know what's going to happen this time. Anything can still change at this point.
If this thread is anything to go by, they're angry at Biden for not using unilateral powers that he doesn't have.
I can't blame Biden for not expanding the Supreme Court. He literally can't, that's the job of Congress, and well.. The Dems in Congress dropped the ball on that back before the 2022 elections.
Other than republicans routinely under performing? No. You can't get numbers from people that won't talk.
*sigh
Yes, yes, it is Congress that gets to do that. But, Biden, as the President, came out and said he was against even the attempt.
Regardless of his reasoning, this signaled to many that while Biden may not agree with the decisions being made, he wasn't going to even try to do anything about them. Again, regardless of what he can and can't actually do.
This is just an example. Young people are pissed that the world is absolutely railing them right now. We can't afford homes, food, gas. Meanwhile the Biden campaign is running on the "strongest economy" argument.
yes, you and I are smart enough to know that this inflation is almost entirely the result of corporations profit taking and protecting their margin over the interests of customers. But the message from the republicans, one that resonates, is that the world is jive. yes, they're the ones that started the ball rolling, but again, Biden is holding the ******* ball.
Where is the speech before Congress demanding accountability for these corporations? Where is the acknowledgement that life sucks right now, but things are being done? No where. Meanwhile I and others sit through half a ******* dozen "Bidenomics" ads that just piss me off, even though I'm aware it's not his fault. Imagine the anger from those who don't bother to take a nuanced look
Yes, yes, it is Congress that gets to do that. But, Biden, as the President, came out and said he was against even the attempt.
Regardless of his reasoning, this signaled to many that while Biden may not agree with the decisions being made, he wasn't going to even try to do anything about them. Again, regardless of what he can and can't actually do.
This is just an example. Young people are pissed that the world is absolutely railing them right now. We can't afford homes, food, gas. Meanwhile the Biden campaign is running on the "strongest economy" argument.
yes, you and I are smart enough to know that this inflation is almost entirely the result of corporations profit taking and protecting their margin over the interests of customers. But the message from the republicans, one that resonates, is that the world is jive. yes, they're the ones that started the ball rolling, but again, Biden is holding the ******* ball.
Where is the speech before Congress demanding accountability for these corporations? Where is the acknowledgement that life sucks right now, but things are being done? No where. Meanwhile I and others sit through half a ******* dozen "Bidenomics" ads that just piss me off, even though I'm aware it's not his fault. Imagine the anger from those who don't bother to take a nuanced look