Let's actually get that collected, and THEN we can talk about more serious consequences.
Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread
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Collect what exactly? It's chump change to begin with and not 1 cent of trumps money will pay for it. His super pac will, along with all his legal bills.
It's funny that they think financial penalties mean anything to him.
It's just another grift opportunity to him. Look what this CROOKED RIGGED COURT has done! Give me money to SAVE THE COUNTRY!
Assuming it's even paid, yes. No disagreement. But Trump's so notorious for not paying his bills in the first place, the amount is really quite secondary.
But if you want stiffer penalties, the process has to go through these steps first. To imagine otherwise is delusional.
Pretty sure doxxing a government employee has a higher penalty than 5K. And considering he's not only done it before, but also has a history of both contempt of court, and violating gag orders: they should have started significantly higher than trumps weekly mcdonalds run.
Edit: to be clear; I'm not actually disagreeing with you. They need to start somewhere, but that somewhere is designed to be a punishment for the poor people in the US. They needed to take both his "wealth", and his flagrant and obvious disregard for standing orders into account. Punishments are only corrective when they are actually damaging. You have to be shamed, inconvenienced, or otherwise harmed by the act before it works.
If they send a bailiff into trump tower and start stripping out gold plated fixtures to pay the 5K, and televised the act: that would work.
Edit: to be clear; I'm not actually disagreeing with you. They need to start somewhere, but that somewhere is designed to be a punishment for the poor people in the US. They needed to take both his "wealth", and his flagrant and obvious disregard for standing orders into account. Punishments are only corrective when they are actually damaging. You have to be shamed, inconvenienced, or otherwise harmed by the act before it works.
If they send a bailiff into trump tower and start stripping out gold plated fixtures to pay the 5K, and televised the act: that would work.
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Just make him SPEND ONE NIGHT IN JAIL! That's all I ask (for now). Give him just a taste.
If they hold him in contempt for not paying, they can do just that.
Right now he's probably telling his lawyers that he'd like to see that judge try.
Different judge.
Oh right. There's two gag orders.
Another Sunday, another treason.
Since she actually WAS his attorney, he is in fact still covered by attorney client privilege.
But it does open up a whole new line of questioning in court: specifically a path that ends in a perjury charge, and completely prevent the use of trumps planned "defense of council" plan.
Follow-up question: Is she required to uphold attorney-client privilege?
Follow up answer: Not really. She could if wanted to (provided it was found that that privilege wasn't used in the commission of a criminal act.) or she could drop it voluntarily. Considering the fact that she flipped like the circus clown she is: I doubt attorney client privilege will be guiding her ethos any.
She is required to uphold attorney-client privilege even if her client pretends that privilege never existed.
More relevantly (putting her ethics and morality aside) prosecutors cannot profit from a breach of privilege by the attorney.
Even if she says, "I don't care if I lose my license to practice law, here's everything he told me in confidence", statements like that could not be used against Trump.
Trump's could potentially waive that privilege, but a court would certainly use a strict standard for concluding that. "She's not my lawyer" isn't enough -- he would have to actively post "...and even if she were my lawyer, I hereby waive any privilege from that non-existent relationship" for a judge to even consider it.
More relevantly (putting her ethics and morality aside) prosecutors cannot profit from a breach of privilege by the attorney.
Even if she says, "I don't care if I lose my license to practice law, here's everything he told me in confidence", statements like that could not be used against Trump.
Trump's could potentially waive that privilege, but a court would certainly use a strict standard for concluding that. "She's not my lawyer" isn't enough -- he would have to actively post "...and even if she were my lawyer, I hereby waive any privilege from that non-existent relationship" for a judge to even consider it.
Jenna Ellis becomes latest Trump lawyer to plead guilty over efforts to overturn Georgia's election
Jenna Ellis pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a felony charge over efforts to overturn Donald Trump’s 2020 election loss in Georgia.
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Looks like she's getting similar deals to what Powell and Chesebro got. Anyone else who's planning to flip on Trump in this case better do so soon, because this is as good as the deals are going to get, and they're going to get worse the later they flip.