AI don't trust techbros

NovaSaber

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Do you understand what's happening at Amazon right now? Their own AI coding agent Kiro reportedly "decided" the fastest way to fix a config error was to delete the entire production environment. Gone. A 6-hour outage. 6.3 million orders lost. Amazon's SVP called thousands of engineers into a mandatory meeting this week. Not to discuss strategy. To discuss damage control. Now here's my prediction and I want you to screenshot this: Amazon won't just ban AI-assisted code. They'll make every engineer personally liable for AI-generated code they approve. Other Big Tech will follow within 6 months. Think about what that means. The same companies that fired thousands of engineers to "restructure around AI" are about to tell the remaining ones.. you're now legally responsible for code you didn't write, can't fully understand, and were told to ship faster. Atlassian fired 1,600 people this morning to go all-in on AI. Replit is hiring kids who vibe code. And Amazon, the company that BUILT one of these AI coding agents just watched it nuke production. The vibe coding era isn't ending. But the "move fast and let AI break things" era is about to hit a wall. And that wall is called liability. Companies wanted AI to replace engineers. Now they need engineers to babysit AI. And they already fired the babysitters.
 

NovaSaber

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Palantir CEO Alex Karp thinks his AI technology will lessen the power of “highly educated, often female voters, who vote mostly Democrat” while increasing the power of working-class men.

“This technology disrupts humanities-trained—largely Democratic—voters, and makes their economic power less. And increases the economic power of vocationally trained, working-class, often male, working-class voters,” Karp said in a CNBC interview Thursday. “And so these disruptions are gonna disrupt every aspect of our society. And to make this work, we have to come to an agreement of what it is we’re going to do with the technology; how are we gonna explain to people who are likely gonna have less good, and less interesting jobs.”
 

Pocket

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I'll believe Amazon's AI train, or anyone else's, has brakes when I see it.
 

CoffeeHorse

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It does make sense how an AI looking at spaghetti code would conclude that the optimal way to fix an issue would be to delete the whole thing and do a clean rebuild.
 

Pocket

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Which might actually work better, if we can teach it a little thing called order of operations. And I don't mean the arithmetic kind.

I mean, this wasn't even a case of it writing new code and that code breaking everything because it was garbage, like what's been happening at Microsoft lately. This thing was given free reign over the entire system with zero oversight. That speaks to a company where nobody at the top has any more clue what they're doing than the AI did.
 
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wonko the sane?

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A software engineer left to his own devices will ultimately still produce software the company can sell because he's incentivized by his own survival. AI has no survival instincts, and when left to it's own devices does... Random stuff it seems.

Yes, I know, they beg when you threaten to turn them off. They aren't doing that because they're actually scared of dying, they're doing it because they've been fed the sum total of human content and WE beg to not die.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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I'm reminded of a scene in Frieren where she explains that demons have learned to invoke calling for their parents to get humans to pity them, just to turn around and attack them later. Demons don't understand parents or family, but they've heard humans beg for them while they're getting killed, so they emulate it as a trap.
 

CoffeeHorse

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I wonder how many of those rm -rf disasters are the AI reenacting the countless reddit posts in its training set. It doesn't understand why people keep doing that and getting upset at the consequences. It's just seen that it's something people do.
 

abates

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the algorithm could well have picked up a solution meant for a small system and applied it to Amazon's more complex system, and since it's just a series of if/then statements, there's no functioning intelligence to stop and go "hey, wait a minute"
 
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Ungnome

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Yea, it's essentially super-auto-complete. Doesn't really understand what it's doing, just mimicking things it's seen(or read) other people do.
 

Ungnome

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Yes, but while humans do learn from mimicry, we can actually make logical decisions and can properly plan ahead. ChatGPT can't even beat an Atari 2600 at chess.
 

Pocket

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To be fair, that sounds like me using Linux too.
I was just thinking, a lot of what's going wrong in the AI world is highlighting deficiencies in what I'll call our information supply chain. So much advice in tech is just "Here, punch this line of random gibberish into the command line; don't ask what it does or how it works, just do it." But on the other hand, if you're willing to dig deep enough, actual useful technical information does exist in the public domain thanks to a long-standing culture of information sharing among hackers. Contrast that with, say, medical science, where the establishment keeps everything they know a closely guarded secret in order to ensure they can continue charging thousands of dollars for a diagnosis that takes five minutes, and it's no wonder AI can only offer bogus advice for health issues.

Sure, AI is still fundamentally terrible and should stop existing, and I can't blame anyone who decides that keeping the status quo is a good way to sabotage it until it goes away. But still.
 

Guardian Prime

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Wasn't sure where to put it, but this seems to be a good place. Sent literal chills down my spine listening to Claude's answers.

 

CoffeeHorse

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He may not like AI but it likes him.

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Pocket

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I really expected "replace the C suite with AI" to keep being dismissed as communist rabble-rousing longer than that before someone actually did it. Then again, I don't know how much influence Zuck has on the rest of his industry, or if they all know he's a kook.
 


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