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LordGigaIce

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LBD "Nytetrayn" said:
Did they decide that?

All I remember is that he was this mythical figure of great power that D-16 looked up to. I don't recall anything to indicate that there wasn't more... than meets the eye.
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They never call him "the Fallen," he's never shown to be evil, is a victim of Sentinel's betrayal like the rest of them, and his force ghost is there to approve of Orion getting the Matrix.

They don't really give any of the Thirteen deep characterization outside of Alpha Trion, but it seems like they were eschewing the whole "Megatronus goes bad" plot. Instead they make him a pretty strong warrior of legend who D-16 idolizes for all the wrong reasons.
 
Sabrblade

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Yeah, TF One Megatronus even explicitly has the "Prime" part of his name included, as opposed to how it's not present in his name in the Covenant of Primus book.
 
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I can't remember from Prime Wars, and I'm not about to check, but I thought Megatronus was presented as a bad guy in RiD15 without the "Fallen" name?
 
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He was definitely referred to as Megatronus in both RiD and the PWT, and was definitely considered the main antagonist in the story arcs where he was featured. I can't recall if he might have also been referred to as The Fallen at some points.
 
LordGigaIce

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LBD Nytetrayn said:
I can't remember from Prime Wars, and I'm not about to check, but I thought Megatronus was presented as a bad guy in RiD15 without the "Fallen" name?
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I honestly can't remember.

But I don't think it's a stretch to say that TFO Megatronus wasn't evil. He's only ever presented as one of the Thirteen, who gets taken out by the film's main villain in an act of betrayal. And he seems to endorse Orion getting the Matrix despite D-16 co-opting his image and name.

There's nothing in TFO to suggest he's anything but a revered historical figure who D-16 is a fanboy of and used his face to advertise his murder cult.
 
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What I never quite got about One is why the war would continue, at the end. It seems energy is restored to Cybertron, so there's no longer need to mine for energon. Sentinel is dead, so Megatron has gotten what he wants. Optimus' failed attempt at stopping him from killing sentinel feels like a bit of a thin reason for Megatron to hold a violent vendetta against him, let alone convince a significant amount of transformers to join his army against the guy who restored free unlimited energy to the whole planet.
 
Sabrblade

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Rustron said:
What I never quite got about One is why the war would continue, at the end. It seems energy is restored to Cybertron, so there's no longer need to mine for energon. Sentinel is dead, so Megatron has gotten what he wants. Optimus' failed attempt at stopping him from killing sentinel feels like a bit of a thin reason for Megatron to hold a violent vendetta against him, let alone convince a significant amount of transformers to join his army against the guy who restored free unlimited energy to the whole planet.
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Well, even by the end of the movie, there was no war. It hadn't begun yet. The implication by the last scene before the end credits is that the next step in the story would be the Autobots going on the offense against the Quintessons in order to fully liberate Cybertron from their control over it. While the return of flowing energon may have seemed like a sign of peace and hope for a better future, it was energon that the Quints were taking from the planet in the first place, so a new supply of it would undoubtedly draw the Quints' attention and make them want to double down on their efforts to claim it all for themselves. So, Optimus would be leading the charge against the Quints in order to drive them off Cybertron.
 
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Right, but even if they're not actively fighting one another, they do still split into two factions for reasons I still don't quite understand. Like there's an animosity implied towards the Autobots. I guess maybe their expectation was to fully explain that in the next movie? But at the point where One ends, it's hard to imagine enough transformers on Cybertron caring about Megatron's personal resentment towards Optimus enough to view Optimus in a bad light, when he essentially gave everyone free food forever. Not because it's impossible (real life sadly shows it isn't), but because it'd require some heavy justification. But you're making me think that maybe yeah, that would have been the plot of a sequel we'll never get.
 
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There was also a deleted but storyboarded brief scene at the end of the movie where we see Megatron and the High Guard walking away from Iacon, and Megatron sees a river of new energon flowing on the ground parallel to the direction Megatron and the others are walking, restoring life and health to the planet's surface as it flows alongside where Megatron and the others are walking. But as he sees this energon river flowing, his bitter face turns out even more bitter, as though he's even made madder from seeing the flow of energon restored because of how it further validates everything Orion/Optimus had said and done that D-16/Megatron had disagreed with.
 
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I think the implication is that Megatron wanted to not just kill Sentinel, but to end the age of the Primes altogether. He's so broken by Sentinel's betrayal, he concludes that the Primes can never be trusted to lead again. Orion trying to stop him from killing Sentinel, then becoming Optimus Prime, was the last straw. Now, as far as Megatron's concerned, all of Cybertron is against him, so he'll be against all of Cybertron.
 
Sabrblade

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Yeah, D-16 was more than a little cuckoo when he became Megatron.
 
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lastmaximal

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This is all stuff that should have been developed further within the movie. Not even just because it's too subtle, it's barely there.
 
CoffeeHorse

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It wasn't that good. We're just starved for content that meets the bare minimum of storytelling.
 
LBD "Nytetrayn"

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I figured they were going to fight back because they were banished to the wastes, and feel they belong in the developed parts as much -- or more -- than the Autobots.

LordGigaIce said:
I honestly can't remember.

But I don't think it's a stretch to say that TFO Megatronus wasn't evil. He's only ever presented as one of the Thirteen, who gets taken out by the film's main villain in an act of betrayal. And he seems to endorse Orion getting the Matrix despite D-16 co-opting his image and name.

There's nothing in TFO to suggest he's anything but a revered historical figure who D-16 is a fanboy of and used his face to advertise his murder cult.
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I'm not saying they were portraying him as evil, just that it felt ambiguous enough to me that they could probably still have had him be, if not an outright villain, at least the bad boy of the group.
 
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TFOne is better than any of the Bay movies but it's still just like a 7/10 at best

It's fine but it's not OMG IT'S A GREAT AMAZING ANIMATED FILM HOLY jive like fans were hyping it up to be. Like I enjoyed it but past the hype? Yeah it's got tons of issues.
 
Sabrblade

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While we're on the subject, I've been meaning to share this particular review of TF One that goes fully in-depth about why it bombed at the box office. While most would just say, "The film was poorly marketed" or "It was released at a bad time of year for kids to go to movie theaters" or even "It was sandwiched between the releases of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice and The Wild Robot", this review goes way beyond that.

This review is from UK Transformers fan (and TFWiki staff member) The Wadapan and was posted on Tumblr. I strongly suggest giving it a full read as it is quite fascinating (but way too long to post its text and images on here directly), and I say this as one who doesn't fully agree with every argument and opinion Wads makes in the review:

https://thewadapan.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F764710183648755712
 
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TF: One is by far the best Transformers movie that has ever been made, but yes, that bar is very low.

The 1986 movie is my FAVORITE Transformers movie and I love it dearly, and there are individual scenes that are absolutely killer, but as a whole, it's a bit of a narrative mess.

The Bay era movies have been discussed many times, so I'll leave those be.

Bumblebee is a bright spot in that series, depending on if you consider it a "Bay era" movie or not.

EDIT: The post right before this one was added while I was typing, so there seems to be some disagreement between it and I about whether TF: One is the best TF movie or not. Agree to disagree and all that, I guess.
 
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