Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Steevy Maximus

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Seems a bit premature when many of us are still placing odds on him not living through this one (be it natural causes or “otherwise”)
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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I still want to know if Obama can use the same "methods" as Trump to bypass the 22nd Amendment.
 

Stepwise

...even Team Whirl.
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I'd be surprised if Obama ran again. I don't have any sources to cite on that, I just can't see it at the moment.

I've seen a couple mentions of Trump and a 3rd term today, so I dug through the npr article, and he goes all over the place. It's so hard with him to figure out what's noise/distraction and what's groundwork for something he's going to actually make an executive order on later. Scary, too, when he says stuff like "you'll never have to vote again."

One part that does make sense to me is that he always has to have "a thing" to stir people up. Sometimes it's blaming a specific group (ranging from cat-eating immigrants to Canadians) but this could be another one of those temporary things. He can keep everyone's attention by getting them fired up about a third term.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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The specific brought forth by bannon so far (I know, GREAT source...) says the wording will basically be such that it only really applies to trump. Not that it wouldn't apply to other former presidents, but none of the still living ones would qualify.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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I'd be surprised if Trump lives long enough for another term, but all he has to do is set a precedent for a more competent monster to take over later and his role is done, as far as the party's concerned.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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Sure, but he'll never admit to weakness, even mortality itself. And to a raging egomaniac like him, the universe begins and ends with him. All he needs is to set up the idea that he can keep running as long as he wants. He'll keep going because he's a buffoon and the party will back him to set up the next dictator. And the whole show will distract from whatever other atrocities he's doing, so it's a win-win-win for them.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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I'd be surprised if Trump lives long enough for another term, but all he has to do is set a precedent for a more competent monster to take over later and his role is done, as far as the party's concerned.
There is something about Trump. I don't know what it is, I cannot explain it, but no one else can do what he has done. Any successor will not have the kind of penetration and ability to just do whatever the hug they want like Trump.
Again, I don't understand it, can't explain it, but he's like the idiot whisperer. The pied piper of methies and dumbfucks.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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Int of 12
Wis of 10
Cha of 20.

Also while technically this is Asian politics, it's directly caused by Trump's faffing about:
China, Japan, South Korea Discuss Economic Ties and Regional Trade

China, Japan, and South Korea held their first economic dialogue in five years Sunday, discussing the potential impacts of tariffs and attempting to find ways to increase regional trade.

Discussions primarily focused on a free trade agreement between the three countries, according to a statement. The nations’ trade ministers agreed to "closely cooperate for a comprehensive and high-level" on the issue and hold additional talks in the coming months. The countries hope to create "a predictable trade and investment environment," as well, per a joint statement.

South Korea’s Trade Minister Ahn Duk-geun said "It is necessary to strengthen the implementation of RCEP, in which all three countries have participated, and to create a framework for expanding trade cooperation among the three countries through Korea-China-Japan FTA negotiations.”

“RCEP” is the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership being discussed.
That sounds really familiar. Imagine if the US, Canada, and Mexico had a similar agreement...
 
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Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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IMO he's not logically smart, but he IS cunning... normally I would put that under Wis but that didn't feel like a good fit so I fudged it a bit.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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He's been coasting on his reputation as a brilliant businessman since the 80s. And only the sort of people who also think pro wrestling is real still believe he is.
 

Axaday

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There is something about Trump. I don't know what it is, I cannot explain it, but no one else can do what he has done. Any successor will not have the kind of penetration and ability to just do whatever the hug they want like Trump.
Again, I don't understand it, can't explain it, but he's like the idiot whisperer. The pied piper of methies and dumbfucks.
I know part of it. He is a filthy rich guy with no class or breeding. Every other filthy rich guy cannot make poor people feel like he is one of them because their manners and deportment set them apart even if they are kind. The poor people can tell they would think they were better than them. ButTrump is completely crass and tasteless, hardly touches the trappings of wealth in public. He really does act just like a blue collar guy, but a real blue collar guy is just some guy. This one is a billionaire and that is lightning in a bottle. If THIS guy is a billionaire, he knows how to make me one too.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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I know part of it. He is a filthy rich guy with no class or breeding. Every other filthy rich guy cannot make poor people feel like he is one of them because their manners and deportment set them apart even if they are kind. The poor people can tell they would think they were better than them. ButTrump is completely crass and tasteless, hardly touches the trappings of wealth in public. He really does act just like a blue collar guy, but a real blue collar guy is just some guy. This one is a billionaire and that is lightning in a bottle. If THIS guy is a billionaire, he knows how to make me one too.
. . . . . that's an excellent point. Thank you.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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He's been coasting on his reputation as a brilliant businessman since the 80s. And only the sort of people who also think pro wrestling is real still believe he is.
Yeah, he sucks as a businessman.. all he's good at is finding and exploiting opportunities for himself, which is why I separate smart from cunning, as that only requires the latter. It's that high natural charisma that somehow carries him through pulling off his schemes via other people failing against his bluff or persuasion checks.
 


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