Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Rhinox]

. . . . so it's starting early. Okay.
A big part of a Trump presidency is him using his position to get as much money as he can. This includes money not spent on things like taxes. This is all part of the grift. Give me what I want or I'll use the Presidency to make your life as hellish as I can.

All of this is on brand for Trump. Nothing is done without some benefit to him. And benefit means him getting money. He is absolutely the incarnation of Greed.

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871231269574697015

 

[wonko the sane?]

And WATCH in amazement as it makes no difference what so ever. The left already ******* hated gaetz, and the right celebrates his actions.

 

[Fullstrength Motleypuss]

And WATCH in amazement as it makes no difference what so ever. The left already ******* hated gaetz, and the right celebrates his actions.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure this is only being published because most of the Repugs hate him. Otherwise it would have been swept under the rug.

 

[wonko the sane?]

I never said the right likes him, I said they celebrate his actions. Human trafficking, prostitution, drug abuse: the right loves to do those things even if they dislike the person who does it.

 

[abates]

So has Gaetz elaborated on when he's going to spill the dirt on his fellow reps as he promised?

 

[KidTDragon]

It'll be shortly after Trump releases his concepts of a national health care plan.

 

[Teufel]

The grift must go on.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859299672285745632

This might be my favorite just because it's so random.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Old news, gibson has already filed a C&D and are contemplating a lawsuit.

 

[Axaday]

Trump is in a horribly difficult situation today. He would love to crow about a terrorist driving his car into a crowd "under Biden's watch", but then he'd have to call driving a car into pedestrians on purpose a terrorist act and the Proud Boys wouldn't like that.

 

[wonko the sane?]

I'm just going to enjoy trump ******* up the response... again. Not even in charge yet and he's still incapable of doing anything right.

 

[Rhinox]

We are only at the beginning. We are going to experience more and more violence as the right wing extremists lash out thinking they have executive cover.
It's going to be interesting to see how he handles the J6ers. There's a lot of people with state charges that he can't do anything about even if he wanted to. I don't think his followers are smart enough to understand that and will get pissed when their loved ones aren't just marched out of prison and given an American flag for their trouble. I also don't expect Trump to do much of anything with federal charges against J6ers. He talked a lot about pardons, but that's work and we all know how much he hates to work.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Trump has no reason to pardon them: not only are they no longer useful to him, they've already failed. They're going to rot, even if only because trump can't make a grand show of pardoning without personal consequences.

It's trump: if there's no money changing hands, or cameras to felate; there's no ***** given.

 

[Rhinox]

Trump has no reason to pardon them: not only are they no longer useful to him, they've already failed. They're going to rot, even if only because trump can't make a grand show of pardoning without personal consequences.

It's trump: if there's no money changing hands, or cameras to felate; there's no ***** given.

Exactly. But even with that, his followers are still going to make excuses for him while continuing to escalate violence believing they'll be protected.
It really is a cult. or some kind of domestic violence situation. Yeah he hurts us, but we know deep down he really loves and needs us!

 

[Axaday]

I would expect him to "make good" on the promise to pardon the ones he can. His base is expecting it and it isn't that difficult work. There would be some negative talk for a few news cycles, but there isn't much accountability on the pardon power. I don't think he'd get impeached for it.

 

[wonko the sane?]

The majority of the country is against it, and there would be less consequence and push back from not doing it and pissing off his loyalists than doing something that furthers his dislike amongst the majority.

And again: trump gets nothing either way. No money, no big signing ceremony with cameras to plaster his face on TV. Unless people can praise him for doing it (and there won't be praise for this. The j6ers demand and expect it, and everyone else will continue to hate him for it.) trump has zero incentive to do it. If there's nothing in the transaction for him, trump doesn't transact.

 

[Rhinox]

If there is one thing Trump has faith in, it is in his "MAGA Nation". if the only downside to not pardoning people is the potential for them to get upset with him, he won't do it. Oh, he'll spin it that 'my lawyer says I can't' or some jive like that. He'll pass the buck as quickly as he passes the bill, but he knows his ride or dies are just that.

 

[Ironbite4]

I'm gonna go with Wonko on this. Unless the J6ers can pony up some cash, they stay in jail for their sentences. Trump might talk about pardoning them but that's all it is. Talk. He might not be facing any more reelections but the rest of the GOP is.

Ironbite-but then again Trump's probably got early onset dementia and thinks he's king so anything goes.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

He only talked about pardons at all to score brownie points with his cult. Now that he doesn't need them anymore, he's extremely unlikely to bother to continue pretending to care about them. They have nothing to offer him.

 

[Wheelimus]

A lotta of Trump's campaign promises are going to require the House and the Senate to go along. Since that isn't going to happen, it's very likely that Trump hits all of the promises that don't need them. Thus I view him pardoning the federally charged J6 rioters as a done deal.