He's willing, but it's our parents minivan, and I'm half the labour.

Like anything; if they're willing to haul it away it's theirs.

And now my brother wants the old fridge, so instead of letting the delivery folk deal with it, I need to move it.

I take objection to the idea that public health is "politics" just because some politicians don't listen to the experts.

I was only replying to the general sentiment of the last three posts before mine.

The person you replied to specifically gave the example of "limiting the amount of people in a facility".

This wasn't about "lock[ing] everyone in the country down".

All I'm saying is there are lockdown and anti-lockdown people and hashing it out in the shoutbox on a toy forum is dumb.

You don't have to lock everyone in the country down to mitigate risks in one population.

Of course older people have it worse, but America is one of those countries where people ship their old people to homes far away from the action anyways.

What ar you even trying to say, anyway? That we shouldn't complain about others increasing the danger more than necessary?

Frankly, there's a lot to say on this issue that can't be encompassed on the shoutbox and I really really don't want to have to deal with politics every single time I check the forums.

To claim that this is about the people in the 20-40 range is also disingenuous.

Essential workers and such are pretty fit on average which is an extra boon for them.

It's not really a personal choice issue, it's a risk versus well, anything you want to do issue. Literally leaving the house results in potential exposure, mask or no. Overall, most of us who hang out here are 20-40, and our survival rate is comparable with some pretty out there statistics.

Anybody who has to go out because of work or groceries or whatever can't just choose to avoid any potential disease-spreaders, for one thing.

Kind of disingenuous to frame this as just a personal choice issue.

This whole "I can't handle people not me having the choice to not put on masks" thing's a bit much.

Hey, Florida is one of the most infected states, and we won't even shut down. We may use masks, but restaurants, clubs, you name it, those are still wide open. Also, what's limiting the amount of people in a facility again?

Oklahoma is right there, apparently. Dang bible belt. Nice people, but not the smartest cookies I've seen.

Don't worry! COME TO TEXAS WHERE OUR IDIOT GOVENOR DECALRED THE STATE 100% OPEN AND ENDED THE MASK MANDATE!!!

Beyond just the not even being able to walk into most stores

No kidding, but right now: unless it's physically on the shelf in front of you: there's no clear idea when it'll be available. And that goes for just about everything.

I've heard new appliances are hard to get, for some reason

And the new one we settled on is backlogged up to two months. Even better.

I mean, it's not all bad. Disney's releasing Speed remastered on 4K

And now the fridge has died. So far 2021 has been WONDERFUL.

I'm upset I can't "Like" a shout...

The US election? *rimshot*

WHICH 2016 clown panic?

Didn't that come right after the 2016 clown panic? No way to make clowns not disturbing at the time, surely.

The clown guise is supposed to lure kids in, it's no good if it looks sus in one glance.

The new one tries too hard to be unsettling from the start. Curry's look is just a plain old clown, until he very much is not.

And Curry has a far more disturbing look at times than the newbie.

And the original was a showcase of Tim Curry's delightfulness as an actor. 'Nuff said.

first one was a decent horror flick but the second was a mess plotwise and even the scares were worse

Never understood the hype for the IT movies, too many floppy zombie chases, They're not in the least unsettling.

It's better than the last one!

The new Wizards of the Coast logo looks stupid

It's really rather shocking watching the Investor Day presentation and seeing how much Hasbro actually owns now.

If everyone had COMMON SENSE, then things would maybe go a little better-

If everyone would just have the exact same opinions as me then we wouldn't have this problem

It just depends on what it is. It is preferable to take it to P&R though. But sometimes current news as it's happening is less restrictive.

Huh, good point (x3)

Yeah. 1. People treat it like Twitter. 2. There's no "take it to P&R" since there's no P&R for the Shoutbox. 3. There's similarly no way to avoid either subjects or people in the Shoutbox since there's no division and it doesn't respect the ignore function, so people end up engaging when they normally wouldn't.

Is there something about the Shoutbox that just means we get politics taking over the thing at least once a week?

At least your government is willing to talk about the collapsing medicare system. In quebec, their ignoring it in favour of talking about language again! Oh, and unconstitutionally denying access to eduction.

At least here in my home province of Ontario we have a conservative gov't who doesn't want to cuz $$$$, but the argument is that they'll end up paying in medical care anyways for those sick people so why not?

We have paid sick leave here in Canada too, but it's not very much and not everyone has it. So we're trying to get the gov't to extend it, and give it to everyone.

The only reason people still go to work despite being sick is because they feel emotionally obliged to serve their employer.