Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

"I could have sworn that ______."

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

Crisis of Corona.

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

'member Pepperidge Farm?

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

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@Nevermore yes.

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead.

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted.

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."