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@  2017 : (21 August 2017 - 12:01 AM)

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised.

@  Maruten : (20 August 2017 - 10:13 PM)

This stuff I think. http://www.vulture.c...-hypocrite.html

@  Confuzor : (20 August 2017 - 10:05 PM)

The what now?

@  2017 : (20 August 2017 - 09:39 PM)

This news about Joss Whedon sure was a thing to wake up to.

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2017 - 06:59 PM)

To back up to the original question about Scramble City's existence in regards to the English-language cartoon continuity, the pack-in comic that came with the Australian DVD boxed set released by Madman did feature a timeline of events that included a point in history titles "Scramble City", so that comic may at least want us to "pretend" that Scramble City happened in the cartoon continuity. But then again, that same comic also used the Marvel Comics' asteroid crisis as the true reason for the Ark's launch, and included the Beast Wars as being unambiguously part of this timeline, so make of that comic's timeline what you will.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:16 AM)

And unlike Takara's JG1 that has been steadily evolving and passing itself down from writer to writer in more-or-less smooth transition, anyone going back now to Hasbro's G1 does feel a bit more like changing history rather than reviving or continuing it.

@  NightViper : (20 August 2017 - 09:11 AM)

Editors at Fun Pub didn't feel it was right to try to "fix" or otherwise change or alter other writers' works. Which is why everything Fun Pub-written became its own stream (Animated was written by the same creative team as the show, so it's one of the very few stories still set in its original continuity). So rather than write words into the original creative team's mouths, Wings only sought to offer one possible solution to the Constructicons weirdness.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2017 - 08:24 PM)

Too bad there weren't that many Wings stories. On the other hand, JG1 is still continuing with stories!

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Wings is obviously not cartoon continuity, but is heavily indebted to it.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 06:09 PM)

Basically what my original point was that continuities based on the original cartoon but not actually a part of it have used what Pennpenn originally said.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:42 PM)

I get what you mean, but the wording is awful. It's not possible for Wings to "alter" or "destroy" something it was never part of, nor really interacted with.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 05:40 PM)

It didn't "alter the existing continuity". It's an entirely new one that left the cartoon's continuity exactly as it ever was.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 05:24 PM)

didn't it take the original cartoon continuity but change parts of it to make a new continuity? i said i'd have preferred it stayed within the original cartoon continuity instead of altering the existing continuity. thats what i would have done. stories would have been written around the existing stories.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 04:24 PM)

Wings can't "destroy it even further" when it was never the cartoon continuity in the first place.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:57 PM)

The problem is that it isn't really fixable without redoing it from the ground up. Or going into insane retcons and rewrites, which A) is about the same thing, and B) is kinda Takara's thing.

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 03:22 PM)

I find its better to fix a broken continuity than to destroy it even further.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2017 - 03:06 PM)

The cartoon couldn't even stay consistent with the cartoon, so why worry when something else can't, either?

@  Bass X0 : (19 August 2017 - 02:53 PM)

I never connected with the whole "Wings is similar to the cartoon continuity but several things are different" thing they had going on. they should really have done it so that it stayed in continuity with the cartoon but focused on the off-screen events prior, during and after the cartoon stories.

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Not like it's ever relevant anyway.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 10:00 AM)

I mean, it doesn't make sense otherwise, regardless of how official particular fiction is.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 August 2017 - 09:57 AM)

Wings is officially not really cartoon continuity, though.

@  Spacewarp : (19 August 2017 - 09:55 AM)

@Pennpenn: There is some fiction that does actually use the whole "they were rebuilt on Earth" explanation. The Fun Pub Wings stuff comes to mind.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 08:36 AM)

Oh absolutely

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 05:00 AM)

point is, the cartoon's continuity was hugged to begin with.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2017 - 03:53 AM)

My brain usually parses that as "Constructicons built him on contract or something so weren't evil then, and Megatron meant rebuilt in Heavy Metal War". Yeah it's a stretch, but whatever

@  unluckiness : (19 August 2017 - 03:16 AM)

Just like the evil constructicons built Megatron then turned good and then were robosmashed back to evil and then somehow built on Earth.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 06:28 PM)

Though to be fair, Japanese continuity itself did not reconcile how Dinosaurer was destroyed in the 1980s and rebuilt in 2010 until the Unite Warriors manga of 2017.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 August 2017 - 05:45 PM)

Also, Scramble City has Trypticon in existence while the English version had Trypticon built in 2005 in season 3.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 04:15 PM)

English and Japanese dubs of the cartoon are officially different continuities from each other, so...

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 04:07 PM)

Is Scramble City canon or in continuity with the U.S. 80s Transformers cartoon despite not being dubbed?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Make it a link instead of just pasting the URL.

@  Evac : (18 August 2017 - 02:56 PM)

If I could post youtube links without them becoming videos in the box, I'd link to the "parrot singing 'Let The Bodies Hit The Floor'" video.

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:51 PM)

it was....... SPOILERS..... Detective Conan.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 02:38 PM)

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the.....FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 August 2017 - 02:34 PM)

Only almost?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 02:17 PM)

someone dies almost every episode.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2017 - 01:59 PM)

Don't be in an anime?

@  Bass X0 : (18 August 2017 - 01:11 PM)

An episode of an anime I watched was about a woman who killed her husband because he spent most of his money on toys instead of on her. Let this be a lesson to us all.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2017 - 02:24 PM)

You'd be a banker.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2017 - 12:20 PM)

What if you paid your job but they don't love you?

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 08:01 PM)

...crap, never mind, enough searching and I turned it up. I am convinced this would not have happened without asking.

@  BlackMax : (16 August 2017 - 07:43 PM)

Forgive me for being the last one aboard the bus that came and went after the previous bus... but can anyone direct me to the comic based on UW Megatronia?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 04:36 PM)

I'll refer to Simon Furman's work on Dreamwave.

@  OrionPax44 : (16 August 2017 - 04:28 PM)

How bout if you love your job but they don't pay you?

@  Bass X0 : (16 August 2017 - 02:31 PM)

It doesn't feel like work when you love your job!

@  2017 : (16 August 2017 - 08:24 AM)

Why do you want to remove it? Just in the way or something?

@  Pennpenn : (16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM)

I wonder if there's any way to remove Destiny 2 from the Battlenet launcher entirely?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 August 2017 - 01:55 PM)

Cause they wanna slice your head off but irritation is all they can pull off.

@  Benbot : (15 August 2017 - 10:59 AM)

why do electric razors do such a poor job with the neck?

@  RichardT1977 : (13 August 2017 - 08:17 PM)

"We Are Number One" but with the cancer in remission.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:25 PM

Did BBTS have a Windblade listing prior to this?

Nope. Windblade/Jhiaxus/Nightbeat wasn't up yet.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:27 PM

I'm not too worried, given how the Legends guys eventually got here, but Jesus Christ, this is upsetting.


 

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:35 PM

So sick of horrible distribution. And crappy movie toys making it worse. Or in these cases, canceling / postponing / TJ Maxx-ifying good toys.
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:36 PM

At this point, I'm beginning to doubt Hasbro even intends to make a Generations Arcee.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:37 PM

Oh of COURSE it would be the G1 Arcee wave.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:40 PM

I hope we at least get pictures of the ladybots sometime in the near future to tide us over.

We'll probably see them at Botcon, but it'd be cool if they showed up sooner.




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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:44 PM

Did BBTS have a Windblade listing prior to this?

I will chuckle endlessly if the fan-made figure is one destined to never be released, or at least in the US.

 

After seven years of this happening, you'd think Hasbro would know to make the last wave completely a refresher case by now.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:51 PM

I bet MICHAEL BAY did this! :angry :burn :drunk  :(   :puke


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:52 PM

:(

-ZacWilliam, the molds are made, they'll come eventually. Still :(.
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:53 PM

Actually, the more I think about it...  man, killing Windblade's release would look so bad on Hasbro's part in so many ways.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:54 PM

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:55 PM

:(

-ZacWilliam, the molds are made, they'll come eventually. Still :(.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:55 PM

This is sure to be brought up at Botcon and I wonder if they'll even be aware of this stuff happening as they are rarely aware of true distribution issues.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:56 PM

After seven years of this happening, you'd think Hasbro would know to make the last wave completely a refresher case by now.

 

I think the final wave of Beast Hunters deluxes (AKA the upsized Legions that only a handful of people seem to actually want) indicates that Hasbro has learned not to put anything incredibly desirable in the final wave of a line.

 

I think the problem might be that someone underestimated how long it would take these figures to hit retail.  We're looking at essentially three waves' worth of product (Rattrap/Tankor/Crosscut, Arcee/Chromia, and Windblade/Nightbeat/Jhiaxus) that really should have been part of the big Dark Cybertron comic/figure push, but won't be thanks to AOE eating all the Generations slots for a while.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:58 PM

If Windblade, Arcee and Chromia end up cancelled I am SO DONE with TF toys.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:58 PM

Wouldnt it make sense to just save all the molds from these two waves and release them after the movie crap ends? That way they didn't waste all that money on creating these toys for nothing?

That would appear to be the plan! But since we don't know precisely when "after the movie crap ends" is, everybody is assuming it is "never ever in any form no matter what" because that allows the greatest amount of flipping out and raging.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:00 PM

The movie crap won't be done till January at least. Abandon hope all ye who wanted Arcee or Windblade before next year. Probably SkyByte and Rattrap too.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:03 PM

If Windblade can't be released this year, I'd hope that Hasbro could work something out to release a preview release of it at Toys R Us or Hasbro Toy Shop. The figures are possibly manufactured already, but it'd be nice if they could squeeze out a jazzed up special release deco withmore paint apps for such a release. Just wishful thinking on my part, though.

 

It's gonna be really odd if most of the 30th anniversary figures are released in 2013 and 2015 and not 2014.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:06 PM

 

:(

-ZacWilliam, the molds are made, they'll come eventually. Still :(.


Lest we forget RTS Rumble / Frenzy

 

Yup.  And the leftover alternate heads that were never touched, like Hardhead and Lugnut's extra.  I wouldn't bet on Crosscut ever showing up again, at least at retail.  Probably not Chromia either.

 

This is sure to be brought up at Botcon and I wonder if they'll even be aware of this stuff happening as they are rarely aware of true distribution issues.

Someone should bring up WIndblade at least, what with the whole comic mini-series tie-in to something that won't be happening.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:09 PM

Oh wow, this sucks. Crossing my fingers that these really do eventually come out at regular domestic retail in the end (and aren't relegated to some "good enough" release at Ross/TJMaxx/etc.)
Also I wonder what this means for Swerve, Cosmos, and Tailgate? They won't exactly fit on the shelves with all that movie stuff.

To echo Shadoman, yeah looks like all the money I would have spent on Hasbro's Generations product is going towards Takara's Ultra Magnus instead!
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