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@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

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@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

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Tiny images revealed of Deluxe Nightbeat, Jhiaxus & Windblade

Thrilling 30 Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade Deluxe Class Generations

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 05:46 AM

Okay, so, courtesy of TFW, we have from Japanese retailer Red Mercury what are supposedly images for the upcoming Nightbeat, Jhiaxus and Windblade T30 Deluxes:


RTS Jazz mould?! RID Jhiaxus homage?! What the hug? :??? Everything about them is just wholly unexpected...

Edited by Jalaguy, 14 January 2014 - 09:00 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 05:50 AM

Ick. Those are some bad mold choices.



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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:01 AM

Yeah, uh, those look pretty nasty.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:02 AM

Sigh, they are not good. Not good at all.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:05 AM

I think the RTS Jazz mold is one of the best modern molds ever... As Jazz. But it's not what I would really want for Nightbeat cause it just isn't much like his original self at all and I love 80s Furman Nightbeat. It just looks like Jazz painted like Nightbeat.

And Jhiaxus ehhh... The new head looks like it would help a lot but again It's a homage to the G2 guy I am interested in and this seems too far off mark there. G2 colors would be better but even then...

I'm gonna hope these are fake. If they aren't I might still get NB and might pass on Jhiaxus.

-ZacWilliam, mostly if real I'd just be disappointed with Hasbro if this was what they brought to the table for the thrilling 30th. Doing characters long requested = Good. Doing them as marginally inappropriate repaints= more likely to cheese fans off than make them happy. And they should know that.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:08 AM



I dunno, I'd probably get them, but I can't see being highly enthused about them either.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:09 AM

Armada Starscream isn't "wrong" for Jhiaxus. In the past he looked like an immensely bulked up Seeker-esq design, and then he was Storm Jet/Jet Storm, and then in IDW he was suddenly evocative Movie Protoform Starscream with his original head. So there's not many consistent elements beyond looking distantly like a Starscream, which this mold does. And I love Jhiaxus so I'll buy it, (if it's real).


Nightbeat deserves his own mold, by gosh!


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:14 AM

Oh yeah, the Armadascream mould is totally okay for Jhiaxus in my books, but why colour it like the RID toy? That's like if they'd made T30 Waspinator his Fox Kids colour scheme...


Also, I suppose the Jazz-Nightbeat link is that they were both Porsches?

Edited by Jalaguy, 14 January 2014 - 06:24 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:16 AM

The Armada Starscream mold's just too slender for my tastes. The FOC Seeker mold seems like a better fit for him than this.


Edit: Just noticed that he doesn't have hands in that pic. lol

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:21 AM


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:26 AM

The one that can't be made by a fan with sculpy or photoshop is just a drawing.  I don't believe it is real yet.  If it is, I will not buy them.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:34 AM

I'm not thrilled (snicker) with these but they'll do.  I do love me some Jazz.


So the Jazz mold has to be the mold with the most different heads and accessories at this point.


Jazz head, gun, & speakers

Stepper with Nightstick, gun, & speakers

Treadshot head, gun, & speakers

Kickoff head, gun, & speakers

Wheelie head, slingshot, & speakers

Nightbeat head, gun, & lights


That's not counting the SG Longarm custom stuff either.


Also original source:






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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:36 AM

I think those first two are photoshopped, but I dunno.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:45 AM

Redmercury is a reliable source.


The images are Photoshopped as much as Hasbro tends to Photoshop their publicity photos (which is a lot).


Perhaps Jhiaxus with his previous toy colors is Hasbro's way of getting something RID into the 30th Anniversary.



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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:52 AM

Redmercury is a reliable source.


The images are Photoshopped as much as Hasbro tends to Photoshop their publicity photos (which is a lot).


Perhaps Jhiaxus with his previous toy colors is Hasbro's way of getting something RID into the 30th Anniversary.



You're right.  



Well, My new years resolution was to save more money in 2014 and if these are the offerings then it looks like I'll be able to stay on track. 

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:03 AM

I think the Jhiaxus is worse as a RiD homage/recognition than it is just as a G2 Jhaxus. As the later the colors are all wrong but it looks to have an appropriate head on a passable body. If you're looking at it from a RiD perspective it's the right colors but everything else wrong and it's an obscure non-show toy as your only line recognition in the 30th Ann. which is sad.

I'm a huge Nightbeat fan but if they wanted to do a RID homage the RTS Jazz mold as a Spychanger Hot Shot might have been nicer.

-ZacWilliam, surprised to see Windblade listed so early, didn't Hasbro say she was slated for Fall 2014 for the very end of the 30th line. And she doesn't even have a proto to show... That seems weird.
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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:21 AM

Making Jhiaxus a partial homage to the RiD toy really does seem on par for Hasbro. They do love referencing character's original toys in updates, and that technically is Jhiaxus' original toy.


Nightbeat is odd considering the relative lack of redecoes from past lines so far, and some people were speculating they couldn't due to budget reasons. It's not the ideal Nightbeat update, but I don't hate it at all. The mold is too nice to write it off.


I was kind of hoping Windblade would be a voyager. At this size, it might be too small for how ornately designed she is. Going to withhold judgement until we see an actual toy.


Still, Nightbeat and Jhiaxus don't really excite me enough to be must buys.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:25 AM

I think Hasbro said Windblade was going to be a Deluxe when they first revealed her name and design.
It also occurs to me that the use of the Jazz mould here suggests the leaked Hardhead listing probably will be the fabled Warpath retool after all.

Edited by Jalaguy, 14 January 2014 - 07:35 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:42 AM

I'm mixed on Jhiaxus. On one hand, yay! someone to go with my BotCon 2010/2013 toys! On the other, I already kinda had a toy for that and would have prefered a full-on G2 toy.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:44 AM

I was hoping for Nightbeat from the IDW 'Bee mold. I don't think I like the idea of him as another hood-chest guy, and while I love the RTS Jazz mold, I'm kinda over it by now.


I really Jhiaxus will be able to clap. Otherwise, I think Hasbro's cost-cutting has gone a bit far.... :D