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@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I'll agree with you on that.

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

*Figured -_-

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I fugured

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 May 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I'm actually sad Cyberverse won't get another season. 2 and 3 (of what I've seen) have REALLY nailed it in being fun little actions shows, like the Sunbow series.

@  Rycochet : (25 May 2020 - 01:00 PM)

Yes.

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 May 2020 - 12:52 PM)

I'm waiting for Animated season 4. Am I insane?

@  wonko the sane? : (25 May 2020 - 11:22 AM)

I'm waiting for the next season to show up on netflix.

@  Sabrblade : (25 May 2020 - 10:59 AM)

Many of us have already watched the rest of the Cyberverse episodes since the whole third season aired in the UK last September.

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 10:18 AM)

*9th

@  -Wildstrike- : (25 May 2020 - 10:17 AM)

I just saw the 8th episode... omg

@  Bass X0 : (25 May 2020 - 01:28 AM)

Already seen it online.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:42 PM)

Who's excited for tomorrow? The only thing that makes Monday worth it is the Cyberverse episodes .-.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 May 2020 - 12:30 PM)

Welcome. I just came into that trick myself recently, so happy to share.

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 12:05 PM)

Thanks, wonko the sane? for the tip with the cloning. That helped a lot!

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 12:02 PM)

Heheh.... yes... I don't think a sniper would be very good at making a vaccine... 0.0

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 11:48 AM)

All right! Cloning my old HHD to an SSD and then swapping out the drive was successful, it would appear. Finally.

@  Bass X0 : (24 May 2020 - 11:30 AM)

Scientist Perceptor is. Sniper Perceptor less so.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:51 AM)

Perceptor would be more responsible.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:48 AM)

Oof x~x

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 10:45 AM)

He'd cure the virus, but he'd probably commit at least two crimes against nature and weaponize a third in the process.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:39 AM)

'Horrible consequences' would most likely happen with Brainstorm...

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 08:16 AM)

Totally. And Percy's not even human. XD

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 06:50 AM)

Can't do much worse than our current government, I say go for it.

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Little do we realize that the Perceptor in question is the Mini-Con combiner. :p

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

He would!!!

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

Horrible consequences? I... Doubt that would happen.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:55 PM)

Even if he would come up with the answer by tomorrow.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:54 PM)

I'd rather not deal with the horrible but unintended consequences of that.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 09:52 PM)

Lets let Perceptor make a vaccine for COVID-19. Who agrees with me :)

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 08:43 PM)

I'll take your word for it. =D

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:42 PM)

Although the TV edits of Robocop do contain some hilarity

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:41 PM)

I can't think of any instance where sanitizing a film is a good thing.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 06:42 PM)

.... and thats a good thing? :doh

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 May 2020 - 06:39 PM)

I'm watching Predator on Starz! That means it has all the language and gore uncensored!

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 04:23 PM)

*grabs popcorn*

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 12:49 PM)

*watching everyone argue* O^O

@  fourteenwings : (23 May 2020 - 10:22 AM)

By that logic we might as well just get rid of the Shoutbox wholesale! I'd rather have like 3 or 4 things stuck for a week or so than one person dominating the whole thing (no offense Nevermore).

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 May 2020 - 03:30 AM)

I would argue that "full of something one doesn't read" and "devoid of reading material" are functionally identical at the end-user level. :D

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:58 PM)

If it emptied, it would become empty.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 07:53 PM)

It would be the same effect as if the shoutbox simply emptied once or twice a week.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:27 PM)

I don't see how having walls of the same guy on top whenever I go to any page on this site is "refreshing".

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 06:10 PM)

I don't know, I find the occasional flushing of the box to be refreshing.

@  Telly : (22 May 2020 - 04:20 PM)

but its gets annoying seeing a wall of text from him that takes up most of the shoutbox

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Eh, that's just Nevermore.

@  fourteenwings : (22 May 2020 - 12:11 AM)

@Nevermore: Good rule of thumb is if you feel like you need not just multiple statements but also multiple shouts to make a point, best just make a thread.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 05:36 PM)

Dude, do you just, not know when to stop?

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:35 PM)

Instead of "I have only ten hours to get all my stuff from place A to place B", it's more like "I temporarily stored 90% of my stuff in easily accessible place C in my spare time, so now I have ten hours to get the remaining 10% of my stuff over to the new place before permanently saying goodbye to the old place".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 PM)

At these point you two are just repeating what you already said.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:32 PM)

Again using my "moving apartments" analogy. If you can store the stuff you don't immediately need for everyday life somewhere else, it reduces the critical time of permanently switching your primary base of residence over to the new place because there's less stuff to move when the time comes.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:30 PM)

Well, my main point is that it will speed up the system migration so I have A) less system downtime because there are fewer files to transfer before the new system can be up and running and B) it reduces the risk of something going wrong during the system migration.


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Interesting New Study On Babies' Preferences Regarding 'Masculine' Toys

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:49 PM

Frankly, I'm not quite sure how much faith I put in their method, but I still think it's worth a read.

 

Basically, they tracked the eye movements and timing of babies, and concluded that baby boys are more interested in dolls than traditional boys toys like cars. They used babies aged between 3 1/2 to 5 month olds.

 

There's some interesting commentary on what it could mean, but again, I'm not quite certain of their method.

 

http://www.smh.com.a...0104-30aq0.html

 

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The preference many boys have for ''masculine'' toys such as cars only develops later in life, according to a new study that tracked the eye movements of babies.

The research found boys aged up to five months were more attracted to dolls than they were to toy cars and mechanical objects, suggesting children are not born with gendered preferences - instead, these develop as a child matures.

Paola Escudero, of the University of Western Sydney, conducted the research in collaboration with the University of California.

The study, published in the Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, used eye-tracking technology on children aged 3½ months to five months to determine their preferred object or toy.

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Images of two different objects were displayed on a screen. The length of time and frequency of the child's gaze was measured to ascertain a preference.

''The preferences we see [at five months] have nothing to do with biology,'' she said. ''Social pressures, parents, other people guide children to like things that are specific to their sex.''

There were several reasons for gender differences developing later in life, Dr Escudero said.

Society may teach children what items they should prefer, depending on their gender, as they mature.

Then there is the possible effect of cognitive development, in which changes in the brain create a preference for some things over others.

Last, hormonal changes could direct children's choices as they mature. ''Testosterone makes [boys] engage in more strong playing and with items that allow them to explore or exploit that way of playing, whereas oestrogen leads to interaction with the social environment,'' she said.

Dr Escudero said further research was needed to determine which of these factors were instrumental in the development of a child's preferences.

Childcare professionals say gendered choices are definitely learnt - and most young boys enjoy playing with dolls.

Aria Adams-Wilcox, of Belrose Children's Centre in Warringah, said boys and girls played social games around the age of two and all played different gendered roles.

''There was a boy who would only take on the role as mother, so he could be caring and help the 'babies' [other children or dolls] go to sleep,'' Ms Adams-Wilcox said.

She said the children started to develop greater awareness by age 3½, and by four years old many boys had decided ''only girls play with dolls''.

''I think they start to understand the difference between genders because of siblings, elder family members, parents, and socially they're told the differences and, in that way, the different roles,'' Ms Adams-Wilcox said.

Anna Tydd said her sons, Archie and Will Lambert, enjoy social games. ''Just the other morning they had their bears and bunnies and were playing mums and dads.''

While she encourages a balanced way of playing by buying construction toys such as Lego, she said she would never discourage her boys' preferences.

Ms Tydd said she has friends who will encourage more masculine toys and dress ups if their boys show more femininity, to prevent bullying.

"It definitely depends on the parents," she said.

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#2 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:00 PM

Are cars and dolls really a fair comparison? Maybe babies just prefer humanoid shapes to vehicles? Couldn't they have compared with something like "girly" humanoid toys and "masculine" ones?



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:11 PM

That would be preferable. The findings (as seems common) are unsurprising and insignificant. Even nonhuman primates show these kinds of preferences at a young age, and the fact that a five-month-old has no frame of reference for a representation of a car but much for a representation of a human is an absurdly important factor to just overlook.


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 03:43 PM

Are cars and dolls really a fair comparison? Maybe babies just prefer humanoid shapes to vehicles? Couldn't they have compared with something like "girly" humanoid toys and "masculine" ones?

My recommendation:

 

*12-inch realistic feminine fashion doll, such as Barbie

 

*12-inch non-realistic feminine fashion doll, such as Monster High

 

*12-inch realistic masculine figure, such as a soldier or a clearly human superhero (like Cpt. America)

 

*12-inch non-realistic masculine figure, such as Iron Man or Optimus Prime

 

Restricting the figures to the same size (give or take) will help rule out bias from children simply seeking the bigger toy. By having distinctly masculine and feminine figures, we can observe if the child in question favors one gender over the other. And by having both realistic-looking and non-realistic figures, we can determine if there is a possible bias away from shapes or appearances that are not entirely familiar.

 

If the children being tested show a uniform bias towards the feminine figures, regardless of realistic or non-realistic, then the hypothesis is confirmed. But if the children show a uniform bias towards the masculine figures or a bias towards the figures of their own gender, then the hypothesis is rejected.



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 04:23 PM

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what


They didn't even actually put toys in front of them! They just showed them images! Who are these people?
You show them images and they're going to go with what's more recognizable! At that age, it's going to be a human shape! Fellow humans are the first things infants recognize! I mean if you put toys in front of them and just let em have a go at it, you might get something... but these are images, what sort of infant is going to favor eyeing a wrench or a porsche over something ressembling a fellow human???

I...

Just....


ARGH.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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#6 Jenny

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 04:26 PM

I am pretty sure when I was baby, I didn't care what kind of toys I had, as long as I got to put them in my mouth.



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 05:02 PM

Although variety would go a long way towards DISproving their hypothesis, even if the test subjects unanimously picked the girl dolls over boy dolls/action figures, it wouldn't be conclusive evidence. The babies might just have picked the item most resembling their mothers whom they'd be more bonded to than their fathers at that age.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 05:09 PM

Yeah, that was one of the points I was trying to get at.

But I mean their "study" didn't even seem to involve action figures on the "masculine" side. It was like, "dolls" on the feminine side and "cars and tools" on the masculine side.

Even then doll is vague. Doll like Barbie, or doll like a baby doll that really burps and drools? Either or, it's still a more recognizable visual to an infant than "cars and tools".


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 06:55 PM

Although variety would go a long way towards DISproving their hypothesis, even if the test subjects unanimously picked the girl dolls over boy dolls/action figures, it wouldn't be conclusive evidence. The babies might just have picked the item most resembling their mothers whom they'd be more bonded to than their fathers at that age.

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Honest researchers don't just do one study and call it a day.

 

Once they find that X causes Y, they'll try to figure out why X causes Y.

 

So if the kids in question do all favor one over the other, it then becomes a matter of "Why do they do this?".



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:09 PM

I think the summary on SMH misinterprets the research, although I can't be certain as the summary on the website doesn't even provide a proper citation for the article. Searching the journal for the author Paola Escudero only returns one result (from 2013) so I am assuming that is the research discussed. But still, pretty silly not to provide enough information to find the actual research. Many researchers publish multiple articles in the same journal within a few years.

 

I believe the summary at SMH is referring to this article:

 

Escudero, P., Robbins, R.A. & Johnson, S.P. (2013). Sex-related preferences for real and doll faces versus real and toy objects in young infants and adults. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, 116, 367-379

 

The abstract of the article provides a different story than SMH:

 

 

Findings of previous studies demonstrate sex-related preferences for toys in 6-month-old infants; boys prefer nonsocial or mechanical toys such as cars, whereas girls prefer social toys such as dolls. Here, we explored the innate versus learned nature of this sex- related preferences using multiple pictures of doll and real faces (of men and women) as well as pictures of toy and real objects (cars and stoves). In total, 48 4- and 5-month-old infants (24 girls and 24 boys) and 48 young adults (24 women and 24 men) saw six trials of all relevant pairs of faces and objects, with each trial containing a different exemplar of a stimulus type. The infant results showed no sex-related preferences; infants preferred faces of men and women regardless of whether they were real or doll faces. Similarly, adults did not show sex-related preferences for social versus nonsocial stimuli, but unlike infants they preferred faces of the opposite sex over objects. These results challenge claims of an innate basis for sex-related preferences for toy real stimuli and suggest that sex-related preferences result from maturational and social development that continues into adulthood. 

 

 

The point of the studies seems to be that the sex preferences found in other research may not be related to boys preferring masculine items and girls preferring feminine items. Instead it may be that infants prefer social items to non-social items. There are a few varieties of this experiment in the paper. Honestly I only skimmed the paper, but it seems to be making a much different point than what the article on SMH suggests. Some of the other individuals quoted do not appear to be related to this study at all.

 

As far as psychology goes, I like the infant research much more than adult research. Since infants can't talk, the researchers actually have to pay attention to their behavior instead of having them fill out a survey. It makes the methods much more in line with research on other species' behavior. Eye gaze is a popular measurement for infants. With eye tracking software, preference as a measure of looking time is much easier to quantify than preferences if the infants were actually handling objects. Also at some ages the infants are not really coordinated enough to interact with objects, but they will look at them. Although I think the eye gaze measures are interesting, sometimes the researchers interpret too much in them. Longer looking times can be said to indicate interest, surprise, confusion or a variety of things, but really all we know is that they look longer for some reason.

 

Overall, I think the actual research makes a good point. Some gender differences we previously assumed were innate likely occur AFTER children are old enough to learn from social contexts. 


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 08:50 AM

This is why I shouldn't post articles at almost 5am.

 

Ugh.

 

Rereading the article now, it's much worse than I thought.

 

 

Sorry!



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:41 PM

No need to apologize Cat! The article and discussion here are interesting. It is just unfortunate that journalism often misrepresents science as they did here.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 03:43 AM

Indeed. It's unfortunate that journalism doesn't come with peer review, but in consequence, that's what news forums are for.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 07 January 2014 - 03:44 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:21 AM

As someone who has raised multiple children in the past few years (over 11+) from age 12-Newborn, I can say that all the ypung children Newborn-2 perfer Softer toys like dolls.

 

Hard Toys start taking real precedence when Teething Starts.

 

Around 2-3 when our Boys started to play and pretend is where the change happens they start being exposed, seeing, and playing superhero.

 

To try and evaluate between Newborn and 5 months is folly, lol. The brain hasn't developed to that stage yet, lol.

 

My boys really didn't start actively playing with Superhero figs till they were 3ish.... As for dressing up with a 9 year old daughter playing dress-up the boys end up looking like Princesses, but believe they are Hulk and Ironman, because they are "dressed-up" lol

 

Kids are kids.... By them hundreds of dollars worth of toys, and you have expensive paperweights, give them the shipping box and they are happy and content like they found ambroise.... LOL



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:19 AM

Are cars and dolls really a fair comparison? Maybe babies just prefer humanoid shapes to vehicles? Couldn't they have compared with something like "girly" humanoid toys and "masculine" ones?

This seems like a way more plausible explanation to me.  Babies recognize other humans immediately, but they won't know what in the hell a car is for some time.


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