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@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 10:06 PM)

Together with the Rhino G1 sets, probably the most expensive DVDs I ever bought

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 10:01 PM)

I've still got the age-old Rhino sets

@  Telly : (14 October 2019 - 09:09 PM)

i didnt find that at any of the ones around here, so i had to settle for seasons 1 and 2 of duckman for $3

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 October 2019 - 07:45 PM)

Heck, I got the season 2/3 set for $3 (?) from a Dollar General discount bin :p

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 07:29 PM)

The series is pretty cheap on DVD, too, which at least will work internet or no. The complete series set seems to be OOP, but there's a Season 1 set as well as a combined 2 & 3 set.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Woot! Beast wars!

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 October 2019 - 06:08 PM)

Yay! Tubi now has the first season of Rescue Bots and the full run of Beast Wars FINALLY available.

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 02:16 PM)

Just like me in a game of Civilization. Don't have gunpowder? Time for your cities to burn.

@  Rycochet : (14 October 2019 - 01:51 PM)

He dubbed the peoples that saw him as bad news cannibals and savages before enslaving and wiping them out too.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 01:40 PM)

And if they had been unfriendly: he would have simply slaughtered them with diseases they couldn't fight, and technology they couldn't match until they as a people did not exist. There's something about european backgrounds that drive us to exploit.

@  Rycochet : (14 October 2019 - 11:02 AM)

He described the peoples he encountered as some of the most friendly and giving in the world, so naturally, he ate all their food, enslaved them and put them to work looking for gold that did not exist, until they as a people did not exist.

@  Paladin : (14 October 2019 - 09:57 AM)

he landed by coincidence in front of long-term residents.

@  Sabrblade : (14 October 2019 - 09:55 AM)

He said the world was round-o! (He said the world was round-o!) He said it could be found-o! (He said it could be found-o!) That hypothetical, calculated, son-of-a-gun, Columbo! (That hypothetical, calculated, son-of-a-gun, Columbo!)

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 09:22 AM)

In the year 1492, Columbus gave us the day off skoo

@  Noideaforaname : (14 October 2019 - 08:59 AM)

How often do people actually celebrate Columbus or the Pilgrims? Usually it just feels like celebrating the first break in the school year and a nice dinner with the family.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 08:29 AM)

You've got like two more weeks until the american thanksgiving. Canadian thanksgiving is literally a harvest festival.

@  CVReynolds : (14 October 2019 - 08:09 AM)

Hey, everyone. Come together to enjoy this national holiday made to celebrate a mass-murderer who never set foot in the USA. What fun!

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 07:25 AM)

that's perfect!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 October 2019 - 02:22 AM)

A school-bus combiner called Valedictorion.

@  TriBlurr : (13 October 2019 - 12:16 AM)

Honor-Roll

@  Arazyr : (11 October 2019 - 08:18 AM)

I like that one.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 October 2019 - 10:39 PM)

Oh, how about Dropout?

@  Pinkcolliebot : (09 October 2019 - 07:47 PM)

Hey Everyone I'm beginning to put together The TF Roll Out Short Hot Rod's Presentation!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 October 2019 - 02:35 PM)

Truant.

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 October 2019 - 12:26 PM)

Haslab Unicron may change the direction of Cyberverse or the netflix series.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 October 2019 - 11:31 AM)

Bluecheesewagon

@  Benbot : (09 October 2019 - 07:09 AM)

Those are too friendly--what if he was a Decepticon?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 October 2019 - 07:23 PM)

Cheesewagon

@  Dekafox : (08 October 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Bus-Top has a very GoBot vibe

@  Bass X0 : (08 October 2019 - 10:51 AM)

I actually never heard of the name Megalodon until recently.

@  Noideaforaname : (08 October 2019 - 09:44 AM)

Bus-Top, Omnibus, Cerebus, Busicus, Busicon

@  unluckiness : (08 October 2019 - 09:32 AM)

Otto

@  unluckiness : (08 October 2019 - 09:32 AM)

Frizzle

@  Dekafox : (08 October 2019 - 09:10 AM)

Crankshaft?

@  Benbot : (08 October 2019 - 08:55 AM)

What's a good name for a school bus Transformer?

@  lastmaximal : (08 October 2019 - 12:57 AM)

Huh. There's a neat name for Beast Hunters Sharkticon Megs.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 October 2019 - 11:44 AM)

It's a submarine, we swear!

@  Otaku : (07 October 2019 - 11:26 AM)

@Bass X0 Letting myself comment to say "That's a good one!" and ask "Would a megalodon be a good fit for Megatron?"

@  Benbot : (07 October 2019 - 07:59 AM)

Ohhh good one

@  Bass X0 : (07 October 2019 - 07:39 AM)

I now want a Decepticon shark called Megalotron.

@  TriBlurr : (06 October 2019 - 05:47 PM)

Gives them time to screw up the color of his hands. :p

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 October 2019 - 12:33 PM)

His bulk is too great to teleport across such distances.

@  Sabrblade : (06 October 2019 - 11:09 AM)

Cuz it'll take that long to mass produce.

@  Darth Gonzo : (06 October 2019 - 10:47 AM)

Why is Unicron coming in 2021 and not 2020?

@  wonko the sane? : (06 October 2019 - 06:47 AM)

Shut up rattrap.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (05 October 2019 - 11:58 PM)

We're all gonna die!

@  Rodimus Supreme : (05 October 2019 - 09:29 PM)

UNICRON GOT MADE, BOIS!!!

@  Trpodeca : (05 October 2019 - 07:19 AM)

They seem to be treating all the games with the same reverence.Even ReCoded, which was just an excuse to redo the first game again.

@  Trpodeca : (05 October 2019 - 07:18 AM)

For the first time in about eight years,I've played a Kingdom Hearts game.

@  Maximus Ambus : (05 October 2019 - 03:20 AM)

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#21 Gryllid

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:54 PM

Second, it takes no work at all to ignore someone's work, to say it's terrible, or to praise it unduly.  It is intellectually and morally dishonest.  I expect better.  So should we all.

 
I just don't see much in the way of research or thought in this article to address. (Or proofreading, but that's neither here nor there.) He posts a graph that says revenues have declined a bit in the last couple of years, which also shows they are significantly higher than they were pre-2008. Heck, the tail end of the graph suggests to me that the decline may already be leveling off.  He notes that Star Wars stuff sells (giving an example of a line that's probably a bit too new to really judge).  That seems to be the extent of his "research".  
 
The rest of it is griping about a TV show that doesn't even have to do with Hasbro, and a wishlist for not only live-action TF and Joe shows but one and maybe two cel-animated shows specifically catering to thirtysomethings (with an apparent lack of knowledge as to how much they already do that in the toy line -- I just ordered Skids for crying out loud), even suggesting a (poor, uncatchy and backwards-looking) working title for one such show.  I don't think I'm being overly dismissive by not paying him much attention.
 

To people who were pleased with Transformers Prime... I'm sorry.  Just because there is precedent for humans understanding a beeping robot and an apparent financial gap such that the writers can't afford voice actors

 
Oh, the good old "Bumblebee beeps because they're too cheap to pay a voice actor" canard.  (Have the rules changed since the 80s, when they could get three characters for the price of one?  Seems to me if they wanted Bee to talk they could just say, "Hey Welker, do the Scooter voice" and be done with it.)

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:11 PM

 

Four, "It's a show for children" was true in G1, yet I don't remember Bumblebee playing R2D2.  You know, back when R2D2 was super popular - the 80s.

Well, Bumblebee couldn't play R2D2 back then, Roller had already called dibs!

*rimshot*

 

But Honestly, if we ever DID get a new G1 series, I'd expect it to be sorta like "Ultimate Universe" Transformers, taking elements from the g1 toon, Marvel Comics, DW comics, IDW Comics, and Generation toys, and creating a new G1 offshoot.

Considering how many different things "G1" has been and how many characters in other franchises have had the "G1 influence" and how at this point even "not-originally from G1" dudes have shown up in G1 settings, is there seriously that much difference between "making a new G1" and "making a new Transformers series"?


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:23 PM

 

 

Four, "It's a show for children" was true in G1, yet I don't remember Bumblebee playing R2D2.  You know, back when R2D2 was super popular - the 80s.

Well, Bumblebee couldn't play R2D2 back then, Roller had already called dibs!

*rimshot*

 

But Honestly, if we ever DID get a new G1 series, I'd expect it to be sorta like "Ultimate Universe" Transformers, taking elements from the g1 toon, Marvel Comics, DW comics, IDW Comics, and Generation toys, and creating a new G1 offshoot.

Considering how many different things "G1" has been and how many characters in other franchises have had the "G1 influence" and how at this point even "not-originally from G1" dudes have shown up in G1 settings, is there seriously that much difference between "making a new G1" and "making a new Transformers series"?

 

 

Depends on who you ask, and what forms you give the characters. Also a New G1 series would likely go back to a more boxy-design style then the more curvy and stylized looks from Animated and Prime.


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#24 Detour

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:26 PM

 

Depends on who you ask, and what forms you give the characters. Also a New G1 series would likely go back to a more boxy-design style then the more curvy and stylized looks from Animated and Prime.

 

I must've missed the part where IDW Rodimus suddenly qualified as "boxy".


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:30 PM

Ugh, that article is so ignorant and Geewun it hurts. :puke

 

 

What if Saberback is Sabrblade's evil twin!

 

SG SabrBlade?

 

You people are scaring me. :(  :wtf


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:32 PM

"Hasbro should make a live-action TV show like Agents of SHIELD. Also, here are all the reason Agents of SHIELD sucks."

 

Not really a good argument. And Agents of SHIELD doesn't really help create "brand awareness," it's been the other way around - people were only interested because we already have all the Avenger movies. A better example might be Arrow, which is apparently good, but I rarely see people talking about.

 

I don't think a live-action Transformers show is economically feasible. Just too much money needed for special effects. For example, consider the show Terra Nova - a sci-fi show where people travel back in time and live in the time of dinosaurs! Sounded pretty cool, except for the fact that the dinosaur CGI was really expensive and so lots of episodes had little-to-no dinosaurs at all, and sometimes what did show up was pretty slipshod. Unsurprisingly the show got canned after one season.

 

While I'm sure there are plenty of fans who would enjoy a new animated G1 series (though it would probably have to be up to better animation standards than the ol' 1980s show) I'm not sure how that would really be a revenue-maker for Hasbro. It would overlap with the same target audiences that already consume the new shows like Prime. 



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:33 PM

 

 

Depends on who you ask, and what forms you give the characters. Also a New G1 series would likely go back to a more boxy-design style then the more curvy and stylized looks from Animated and Prime.

 

I must've missed the part where IDW Rodimus suddenly qualified as "boxy".

 

 

Well if we're getting him as a Springer Repaint...

 

But no, I mean in general, G1 designs tend to look less rounded, and more bulky. It's not the rule for everyone, but its a fair constant.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:41 PM

Shakespeare called it: "A tale told by an idiot."

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 09:00 PM

 

Well if we're getting him as a Springer Repaint...

 

But no, I mean in general, G1 designs tend to look less rounded, and more bulky. It's not the rule for everyone, but its a fair constant.

 

 

Here and there, sure. It's also been a fair constant of the Unicron Trilogy too.

 

Nonetheless, ever since Beast Machines or so, everything's always been "a new take on G1", really. I don't really see why Hasbro'd need to market the next cartoon as "Transformers Return of the G1" when it could be "Transformers Exciting New Thing".
Let's face it, G1 has been diversified enough that Bumblebee doesn't even have to be tiny and chubby anymore for the fiction to still qualify as being G1. ;)


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 09:21 PM

I think Hasbro could make money off of a G1 revival*

I think they could make money off of a Beast revival*

I think they could make money off of something completely new*

I think they could make money with something from above set back in the 1800's and everyone is a train*

 

*If it were written well

Because Transformers is a pretty frickin' sweet formula. Sentient alien machines that turn into something else to hide and fight battles. Give it to a competant writer and they can make it work.

 

So I don't really care what Hasbro does next, just keep innovating and I'll probably be there.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 09:26 PM

This is basically the research done on the article: Hey, those  Transformers movies are popular now, right? But how come the only TF cartoon I remember is the old one?  Clearly, they need to bring back the old cartoon!

 

Because that's the only way I can imagine how he reached that conclusion. The  G1 toon did have more of a pop culture presence than any TF cartoon afterwards, but it's not like it'd automatically work today anymore than any other series. Look how hard the He-man series flounders in comparison to ours.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 09:26 PM

I think they could make money with something from above set back in the 1800's and everyone is a train*

 

*If it were written well

Set it in the 1940s instead, and on a fictional island set within the Irish Sea between England and the Isle of Man. ;)


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:07 PM

An  article on the revenue of an entire company that focuses on only one franchise is HARDLY what anybody should call well thought out.

 

The writer is a fool. It reads a lot more like his wetdream wishes for future media than any sort of sound suggestion. He doesn't even mention the strenght of other IPs such as their growing girl toylines and their gaming brands.

More than anything else, the article fails by failing to understand the company.  Hasbro, despite their best efforts, is still, first and foremost, a TOY company, NOT an established IP company the way Disney and Time Warner are.

 

Hasbro's money comes from selling toys, and neither "suggestion" does anything to improve toy sales.  Not helped by the fact EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE he mentioned doesn't have a mass market toy line or tie in AT ALL (Hell, we don't even have an Agent Coulson figure and he's been in MULTIPLE MCU films).  While both have merit in the "raising brand awareness", most of that awareness seems targeted to older demographics...who generally don't buy toys.

 

And I almost couldn't stomach the "Bring back G1" element because it shows a clear lack of ANY understanding of Hasbro's product output over the last SEVEN YEARS.  

 

I also don't view Star Wars Black any sort of sterling example since it was produced as a response to the complete IMPLOSION the Star Wars brand saw over the past few years (and again, shows a lack of product understanding since Black replaces the much more revered Vintage series)



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:14 PM

Some of the reactions sure have same effect as a laxative.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:20 PM

I think going G1 is a mistake, & just the ravings of Gewun dork. He also likely thinks Hasbro needs to go back to die cast.

I do think a streamlined IDW More Than Meets the Eye series could work as a cartoon maybe. There's enough fresh stuff in there that it could be its own thing, while still harking to G1.

It might have to drop some concepts, to become a cartoon & likely reduce deaths.

Rung would likely be redesigned into something that would work as a toy.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:25 PM


 

To people who were pleased with Transformers Prime... I'm sorry.  Just because there is precedent for humans understanding a beeping robot and an apparent financial gap such that the writers can't afford voice actors doesn't excuse poor writing where 90% of the episodes had the exact same plot - a "mini-con of the week" plot to paraphrase this article's writer's critique of Agents of SHEILD.  A prettier Armada with worse writing is bad.

 

Luckily all those G1 episodes didn't have the same basic plot - say like Megatron finding a new source of immense power, in the form of a ruby crystal, a hydro-electric dam, etc.

 

Lucky that.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:01 PM

What so you expect from a show that is not for kids? We adults have discriminating taste in our recycled plots.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:21 PM

 

What so you expect from a show that is not for kids? We adults have discriminating taste in our recycled plots.

 

And yet another person arguing that kids tv doesn't have to be interesting, stimulating, or educational.  Because... you know... good parents would much rather they watch garbage than quality programming.

 

 


 

To people who were pleased with Transformers Prime... I'm sorry.  Just because there is precedent for humans understanding a beeping robot and an apparent financial gap such that the writers can't afford voice actors doesn't excuse poor writing where 90% of the episodes had the exact same plot - a "mini-con of the week" plot to paraphrase this article's writer's critique of Agents of SHEILD.  A prettier Armada with worse writing is bad.

 

Luckily all those G1 episodes didn't have the same basic plot - say like Megatron finding a new source of immense power, in the form of a ruby crystal, a hydro-electric dam, etc.

 

Lucky that.

 

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Season 1:

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  2. "More than Meets the Eye, Part 2"
  3. "More than Meets the Eye, Part 3"  1-3 origin, energon to go back to cybertron.
  4. "Transport to Oblivion" space bridge to get back to cybertron.
  5. "Roll for It" something,
  6. "Divide and Conquer" something.
  7. "Fire in the Sky" Jetfire
  8. "S.O.S. Dinobots" Dinobots.
  9. "Fire on the Mountain" Jetfire part 2.
  10. "War of the Dinobots" More Dinobots
  11. "The Ultimate Doom, Part 1"
  12. "The Ultimate Doom, Part 2"
  13. "The Ultimate Doom, Part 3"  Some crazy stuff!
  14. "Countdown to Extinction" more crazy stuff!
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  16. "Heavy Metal War" Devestator VS Dinobots, the "end" of the Decepticons.

 

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  1. Darkness Rising, Part 1
  2. Darkness Rising, Part 2
  3. Darkness Rising, Part 3
  4. Darkness Rising, Part 4
  5. Darkness Rising, Part 5  Zombies because Earth has DARK ENERGON.
  6. Masters & Students  Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  7. Scrapheap Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  8. Con Job Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  9. Convoy M.E.C.H.
  10. Deus ex Machina Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  11. Speed Metal  Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  12. Predatory Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  13. Sick Mind Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  14. Out of His Head Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  15. Shadowzone Zombie Skyquake... he'll have a toy eventually folks!
  16. Operation: Breakdown Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  17. Crisscross Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  18. Metal Attraction Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  19. Rock Bottom Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  20. Partners Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  21. T.M.I. Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  22. Stronger, Faster Some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably crash lands on earth.
  23. One Shall Fall
  24. One Shall Rise, Part 1
  25. One Shall Rise, Part 2
  26. One Shall Rise, Part 3 Unicron is the Earth!  By the way, Unicron is some mysterious cybertronian artifact inexplicably became Earth.

 

Wow, being right on the internet *IS NOT* satisfying... who would have thought.  At least we know anything other than an apology or strong counter argument counts as trolling, don't we?


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:29 PM

I always love it when people bitchpants about TFP being so MacGuffon focused and completely forget G1 being even WORSE about that. The second and third seasons, and also the movie, really had a thing for macguffins.

 

Also, Bold text to emphasize my points is completely necessary because bold text is cruise control for cool.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:38 PM

I always love it when people bitchpants about TFP being so MacGuffon focused and completely forget G1 being even WORSE about that. The second and third seasons, and also the movie, really had a thing for macguffins.

But when G1 did it it was new and cool.