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@  Kalidor : (22 October 2020 - 06:43 PM)

What did it look like?

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 01:34 PM)

I swear I remember getting the Happymeal G1 minibot as a child, but I live 2.5 hours from St. Louis, which is the only place they apparently came out. It's possible that I got it on a family vacation, though, as we went to Six Flags pretty often.

@  ▲ndrusi : (22 October 2020 - 01:07 PM)

Conversely, I had the Gobot helicopter from Wendy's and I was absolutely convinced it was an actual Transformer.

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 08:13 AM)

I used to rubber-band Hot-Wheels style construction vehicles together and pretend it was Devestator.

@  Bass X0 : (21 October 2020 - 05:26 PM)

When I was about four years old, my parents bought me Bugbite and tried to tell me it was Bumblebee. I was not yet a fan of Transformers, but I knew that wasn't Bumblebee. I didn't even have the real Bumblebee at that time.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:39 PM)

It would come with two soundtracks: the eighties classic and one featuring dubstep and the VAs are popular Youtubers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 12:13 PM)

But yeah, reading it: I came off as a bit of an ass.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:52 AM)

I just couldn't think of worse music than disco...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 11:35 AM)

What were you trying to imply with the mocking sarcasm, though? Nobody suggested that '80s music was any more "of it's time" than '70s music.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:18 AM)

I said that disco wouldn't fare much better with the same context: media is property of it's time; biases, culture and limitations are all inherent in that. Some stuff can be brought forward because of an inherently timeless nature or the simplicity with which it was made but lots of media is a time capsule of the period of when it was made.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 08:46 AM)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, or what you even think I said.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 08:11 AM)

Yeah, cause disco would make the transition so much better...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 07:17 AM)

I feel the '80s music would be jarring when running over current-day CGI instead of well, '80s visuals.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 05:39 AM)

Not a remake, reanimated scene for scene, like that fan vid titled they were always real to me.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 October 2020 - 04:37 AM)

Because we need more remakes these days.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:36 AM)

Be a hoot if these Studio Series 86 toys led to Transformers The Move Reanimated like Pokemon Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution.

@  Paladin : (20 October 2020 - 05:15 PM)

only takes three pounds to be a cereal killer.

@  Kalidor : (20 October 2020 - 04:54 PM)

5 pounds is a lot of cereal! /deadpan

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 October 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Seems the area near my work place is due to be gentrified. Electric car ports, fifty pound haircuts and five pound bowls of cereal in breakfast cafes I'll bet.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 11:31 PM)

@ZakuConvoy Lumines Electric Symphony. So still halfway interesting, and it’ll play on the PS TV

@  Demovere Xeno : (19 October 2020 - 10:36 PM)

@Maximus: I paired the Battle Patrol with Ironworks and they look good together, though the Off Road Patrol would probably fit best as vehicles you're likely to find at a construction site.

@  ZakuConvoy : (19 October 2020 - 09:39 PM)

So...was it something like Tearaway or Gravity Rush or was it just a FIFA or a Madden?

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 08:26 PM)

Sounds like they need to clean more often.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 06:51 PM)

From the depths of Walmart's backroom comes...a Playstation Vita game in 2020?

@  Telly : (19 October 2020 - 02:20 PM)

and my bow

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:49 AM)

<GIMLI> And my axe! </GIMLI>

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:47 AM)

He's got my vote!

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 11:26 AM)

Mayor?

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 October 2020 - 07:38 AM)

Greasepit for the Sports Car Patrol, Airwave for the Airstrike Patrol, Hot House for the Rescue Patrol, Ironworks for ????

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 04:09 AM)

My local Walmart FINALLY got a restock of Generations during the early September reset and got a big shipment of Earthrise wave 1 (the first I’d seen around here). IF, and that’s a big IF, they restock I’m expecting a bunch of wave 3. Or wave 2. But we’ll be skipping one of those waves.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 04:08 AM)

Barricade hanging around

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 04:08 AM)

Brunt barely appeared here at all, wave 3 was pretty much skipped for a big load of wave 4, with Impactor and

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Brunt is shelfwarming around me. One walmart moved the whole lot of them off to a side shelf, but couldn't be added to liquidate them.

@  unluckiness : (18 October 2020 - 09:01 PM)

Ironworks is a plague. No idea if it was overproduced or if nobody wants it but thing's clogging shelves.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2020 - 04:23 PM)

My walmart the few times I go in will be lucky to have two or three transformers period.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 October 2020 - 10:29 AM)

I mostly just see walls of Ironworks. And the occassional Siege Hound.

@  Paladin : (18 October 2020 - 08:44 AM)

condolences.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 08:40 AM)

My local Symths is still chock full of Earthrise wave 1.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2020 - 08:24 AM)

Yup, generally so much they don't bother with any other waves as the existing stock doesn't sell out.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:56 AM)

All the damn time.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:56 AM)

If there's anything there's going to be plenty of stock, it's wave 1.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:56 AM)

I'm really not worried about wave 1 of a new line EVER.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2020 - 07:47 AM)

At least you got listings for kingdom. walmart canada won't list them until they're actually in stock and that could very well never happen. I'm gonna get mine from BBTS cause I'm not missing out on the maximals.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:32 AM)

And I don't buy the "they all sold out" explanation. The Kingdom figures are still listed.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:32 AM)

I don't see any of Friday's reveals at Walmart.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:23 AM)

There's a difference between "sold out" and "no trace of a listing".

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:23 AM)

There is still a listing for the scalped and sold out Walmart exclusive limited edition version of Gigawatt.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 07:22 AM)

But there should still be a listing.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2020 - 06:30 AM)

Probably got scalped and sold out in seconds.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2020 - 04:10 AM)

And I don't see links anywhere either.


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Posted 13 June 2020 - 06:47 PM


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Posted 13 June 2020 - 11:13 PM

Lemme see if I can try to simplify what I wrote before to make it easier to understand, but bear in mind that we are dealing with a lot of games, here.

 

 

The Legend of Zelda - the first game, introduces Ganon

Zelda 1

 

Zelda II: The Adventure of Link - direct sequel to Zelda 1

Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

A Link to the Past - prequel to Zelda 1, first mention of Ganon's original form named Ganondorf

ALttP --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Link's Awakening - side-story sequel to ALttP, set before Zelda 1

ALttP --> LA --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Ocarina of Time - prequel to ALttP via its Child Ending, tells the origin of the Ganondorf who goes on to become the Ganon of ALttP

OoT --> ALttP --> LA --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Majora's Mask - side-story sequel to OoT, can still fit before ALttP

OoT --> MM --> ALttP --> LA --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages - vaguely set after a death of Ganon, later games will suggest these two to fit best after LA but still before Zelda 1

OoT --> MM --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Four Swords - said by Nintendo to be the earliest game in the timeline at the time, so preceding OoT

FS --> OoT --> MM --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

The Wind Waker - the start of a splinter timeline from OoT's Adult Ending that's been ignored up to this point, the main timeline is unaffected

OoT --> TWW

 

Four Swords Adventures - sequel to FS and features a Ganon who used to be Ganondorf, can slot in between MM and ALttP with ease

FS --> OoT --> MM --> FSA --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

The Minish Cap - prequel to FS

TMC --> FS --> OoT --> MM --> FSA --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Twilight Princess - This is the problematic game, as it is so obviously meant to be another follow-up to both OoT and MM, but cannot possibly fit in anywhere in the timeline established so far since Ganondorf dies at the end of this game, when the entire point of OoT was to show what the Ganondorf first mentioned in ALttP was like before he becomes Ganon prior to that same game. Yet, with this game, there is no way to reconcile its ending with the events that are supposed to lead up to ALttP.

 

Basically, the portion of the timeline from OoT to ALttP can be considered the "Ganondorf era". He isn't around before that point (the "pre-Ganondorf era"), and he's only ever Ganon after (the "Ganon era"). With TP having him as Ganondorf, it would have to go in this portion of the timeline, but it doesn't work since he dies at the end when he's supposed to go on to become the Ganon of ALttP. Hyrule Historia tried to make a second Ganondorf out of the one from FSA, but that's just a whole other can of worms on top of this one.

 

At present, there is no game that exists in which Ganondorf, not Ganon, gets resurrected from a previous death. Breath of the Wild's sequel may change that, but both that game and BotW are meant to be at the very end of everything, so those games would take place after the Ganon era. Yet, I get the feeling that BotW2 may instead retcon BotW to specifically being a direct follow-up to TP with how the Ganondorf corpse in BotW2 seems like it might be the same Ganondorf who died in TP, instead ignoring the whole "Ganon era" entirely since those games are presently viewed as part of a completely different timeline branch altogether.

 

 

Meanwhile, all the games released after Twilight Princess, up to Breath of the Wild, can still fit just fine in the established chronologies:

 

Phantom Hourglass - sequel to TWW, so it's a part of the splinter timeline, the main timeline is unaffected

OoT --> TWW --> PH

 

Spirit Tracks - another follow-up to TWW set after PH, so it's part of the splinter timeline, the main timeline is unaffected

OoT --> TWW --> PH --> ST

 

Skyward Sword - made to be the beginning game of the timeline, so it precedes TMC

SS --> TMC --> FS --> OoT --> MM --> FSA --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

A Link Between Worlds - sequel to ALttP centuries later, the Triforce being split also makes it feel set after the Oracle games but still before Zelda 1

SS --> TMC --> FS --> OoT --> MM --> FSA --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> ALBW --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Tri Force Heroes - Nintendo says it's the same Link from ALBW, so it's another side-story sequel but also set before Zelda 1

SS --> TMC --> FS --> OoT --> MM --> FSA --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> ALBW --> TFH --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

 

Breath of the Wild - meant to be after the end of everything, so it would be the first game set after Zelda 2

SS --> TMC --> FS --> OoT --> MM --> FSA --> ALttP --> LA --> Oracle games --> ALBW --> TFH --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2 --> BotW

 

Breath of the Wild's sequel - as noted above, this game may become the second one to not mesh with the above timeline due to the alleged influence that the events of TP may have on its story.


Edited by Sabrblade, 15 June 2020 - 11:59 AM.

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Posted 15 June 2020 - 11:39 AM

Where as I'm all like 'who needs a timeline.. cause parallel universes are a thing'

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Posted 15 June 2020 - 12:15 PM

I gave up on a timeline around the time Wind Waker ruined any chance of a sensible one and realized around Minish Cap they were only going to make unnecessary prequels to answer questions nobody ever asked.



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Posted 15 June 2020 - 10:51 PM

Ocarina of Time - prequel to ALttP via its Child Ending, tells the origin of the Ganondorf who goes on to become the Ganon of ALttP
OoT --> ALttP --> LA --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

This is what I don't get; why are you insisting that the child timeline is the one that has to lead to ALttPA Link to the Past established that Ganon was sealed into the Sacred Realm during the course of a war, which has never happened onscreen in any game.  The child and the adult timelines of OoT are equally capable of preceding ALttP, because neither directly sets it up.

 

And the official story is that A Link to the Past comes from a third timeline, where Link fails.  Which explains why an army was needed instead of using the one guy, and the hyrulian sages in that game kinda implied that the set of Sages that Link collected were killed by Ganon before sealing him or having children.

 

Oh, and the adult timeline of Ocarina is the one where we see Ganon actually transform into the pig-man  Take that as you will.
 

Twilight Princess - This is the problematic game, as it is so obviously meant to be another follow-up to both OoT and MM, but cannot possibly fit in anywhere in the timeline established so far since Ganondorf dies at the end of this game, when the entire point of OoT was to show what the Ganondorf first mentioned in ALttP was like before he becomes Ganon prior to that same game. Yet, with this game, there is no way to reconcile its ending with the events that are supposed to lead up to ALttP.
 
Basically, the portion of the timeline from OoT to ALttP can be considered the "Ganondorf era". He isn't around before that point (the "pre-Ganondorf era"), and he's only ever Ganon after (the "Ganon era"). With TP having him as Ganondorf, it would have to go in this portion of the timeline, but it doesn't work since he dies at the end when he's supposed to go on to become the Ganon of ALttP. Hyrule Historia tried to make a second Ganondorf out of the one from FSA, but that's just a whole other can of worms on top of this one.
 
At present, there is no game that exists in which Ganondorf, not Ganon, gets resurrected from a previous death. Breath of the Wild's sequel may change that, but both that game and BotW are meant to be at the very end of everything, so those games would take place after the Ganon era. Yet, I get the feeling that BotW2 may instead retcon BotW to specifically being a direct follow-up to TP with how the Ganondorf corpse in BotW2 seems like it might be the same Ganondorf who died in TP, instead ignoring the whole "Ganon era" entirely since those games are presently viewed as part of a completely different timeline branch altogether.

If Wind Waker takes place in the adult timeline, and Ganon never turns human (well, gerudo) again after transforming, why does it feature a distinctly non-porcine Ganon?

 

While some fans specify the pig as Ganon and the human(ish) form as Ganondorf, that doesn't seem to be a meaningful distinction within the story.  From the games, Ganon seems to be able to switch back and forth at will, and other characters call him by whatever name regardless of form.  The King of Hyrule calls him Ganon throughout Wind Waker despite staying in gerudo form the entire time.


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 12:03 AM

 

Ocarina of Time - prequel to ALttP via its Child Ending, tells the origin of the Ganondorf who goes on to become the Ganon of ALttP
OoT --> ALttP --> LA --> Zelda 1 --> Zelda 2

This is what I don't get; why are you insisting that the child timeline is the one that has to lead to ALttPA Link to the Past established that Ganon was sealed into the Sacred Realm during the course of a war, which has never happened onscreen in any game.  The child and the adult timelines of OoT are equally capable of preceding ALttP, because neither directly sets it up.

Allow me to explain.
 
Going by the original text of the ALttP prologue, the events that led up to the beginning of that game are incompatible with the Adult Ending of OoT, whereas the Child Ending doesn't contradict anything in the prologue because that ending takes place at a point prior to when Ganondorf ever does anything drastic to the kingdom, and is left open-ended from that point onward.
 
In the ALttP prologue, as given by original text of the game's manual (most specifically, the Japanese version of this text), Ganondorf is said to have led a band of thieves in search for the entrance to the Sacred Realm, and that he and his group managed to find the entrance and open it quite by happenstance. Once inside the Sacred Realm, upon gazing at the Triforce, the brigands began to fight each other until Ganondorf was the last one standing. He touched the Triforce and made his wish, acquiring the complete Triforce right then and there, and becoming the King of Evil, Ganon.
 
From within the Sacred Realm, Ganon remained there indefinitely (as in-game dialogue states that he couldn't get out of the Sacred Realm once he got inside it) and began to pour out his malice across the land of Hyrule. As his evil power spread towards the castle, the still-living king called for the Seven Sages and the knights to help protect the kingdom and find a way to seal away the source of the evil power. While the Sages searched for the Master Sword (as this was before OoT established its residing within the Temple of Time) and a hero to wield it (which ties nicely into the fact that Link left Hyrule after OoT during MM, meaning a new hero was needed by this point), Ganon's evil power began to close in on the castle. As the situation became too urgent to keep looking for the sword and the hero, the knights fought valiantly to the very end until the Sages could seal away the entrance to the Sacred Realm with Ganon still inside it, thus bringing an end to the Seal War (Japanese name of the Imprisoning War).
 
With OoT's Child Ending being as open ended as it is, all of the above could have still happened in the years following that ending. All that would need to happen in the meantime is for Ganondorf to retreat and lay low for a while after Link exposed his treasonous ambitions to Zelda and her father. Ganondorf would have to quietly bide his time until such a point when he could to acquire some more followers and form his new band of thieves that he would lead in search of the Sacred Realm's entrance, now that the Temple of Time would be completely out of his reach due to his newfound status as a wanted criminal.

 

The Master Sword would also need to be moved and hidden away since it resides within the Lost Woods during ALttP. In fact, if the sword is the key to opening the Sacred Realm, perhaps that's both why it was moved in the first place and also why a different entrance to the Sacred Realm would been to be searched for, since the realm would no longer be accessible from the Temple of Time due to the Master Sword having been relocated from there to its hiding place in the Lost Woods. And as mentioned above, the lack of a hero needed to wield the sword's power would be due to Link having left Hyrule after OoT to partake in the events of Majora's Mask.

 

The events of the game's Adult story, however, are completely at odds with the above events. In OoT, Ganondorf does not lead a band of thieves in search of the Sacred Realm's entrance since he already knows that said entrance is behind the Door of Time inside the Temple of Time. He does not open the entrance "by chance", he specifically orchestrates all of the events that lead to the young Link opening it for him. When he enters the Sacred Realm, he does not get the complete Triforce but instead only gets the Triforce of Power. After that, he comes back out of the Sacred Realm to rule Hyrule as its new king, seemingly murdering the rightful king, Zelda's father, off-screen, instead of staying inside the Sacred Realm as his primary base of operations the whole time, never killing the king until long after the Imprisoning War when he uses Agahnim to usurp the throne. And of course, he does not become Ganon until the very end of the Adult storyline instead of becoming Ganon and staying as Ganon when he first gets the Triforce inside the Sacred Realm.
 

 

And the official story is that A Link to the Past comes from a third timeline, where Link fails.  Which explains why an army was needed instead of using the one guy, and the hyrulian sages in that game kinda implied that the set of Sages that Link collected were killed by Ganon before sealing him or having children.

Yes, that is a retcon that Hyrule Historia came up with to try to force ALttP into fitting with OoT's Adult storyline, when it does not fit on its own as described above. And, in order to make said retcon work, the book had to come up with an entirely different backstory for the Imprisoning War that likewise contradicted the original backstory given in the game's instruction manual.

 

And that's not even getting into the fact that this third branch wants us to play OoT in the wrong way (as in, to play the game all the way up to the end and then deliberately lose the Ganondorf boss battle) in order for it to even happen.
 

 

Oh, and the adult timeline of Ocarina is the one where we see Ganon actually transform into the pig-man  Take that as you will.

Which is only temporary since he reverts right back to his Gerudo form immediately after being defeated (when the game is played correctly, that is).
 

 

 

Twilight Princess - This is the problematic game, as it is so obviously meant to be another follow-up to both OoT and MM, but cannot possibly fit in anywhere in the timeline established so far since Ganondorf dies at the end of this game, when the entire point of OoT was to show what the Ganondorf first mentioned in ALttP was like before he becomes Ganon prior to that same game. Yet, with this game, there is no way to reconcile its ending with the events that are supposed to lead up to ALttP.
 
Basically, the portion of the timeline from OoT to ALttP can be considered the "Ganondorf era". He isn't around before that point (the "pre-Ganondorf era"), and he's only ever Ganon after (the "Ganon era"). With TP having him as Ganondorf, it would have to go in this portion of the timeline, but it doesn't work since he dies at the end when he's supposed to go on to become the Ganon of ALttP. Hyrule Historia tried to make a second Ganondorf out of the one from FSA, but that's just a whole other can of worms on top of this one.
 
At present, there is no game that exists in which Ganondorf, not Ganon, gets resurrected from a previous death. Breath of the Wild's sequel may change that, but both that game and BotW are meant to be at the very end of everything, so those games would take place after the Ganon era. Yet, I get the feeling that BotW2 may instead retcon BotW to specifically being a direct follow-up to TP with how the Ganondorf corpse in BotW2 seems like it might be the same Ganondorf who died in TP, instead ignoring the whole "Ganon era" entirely since those games are presently viewed as part of a completely different timeline branch altogether.

If Wind Waker takes place in the adult timeline, and Ganon never turns human (well, gerudo) again after transforming, why does it feature a distinctly non-porcine Ganon?

Like I said, he reverts right back into his Gerudo form upon being defeated by Link.

 

And while TWW's prologue showed a monstrous Ganon emerging from the Sacred Realm to terrorize Hyrule, TP later revealed that Ganondorf, while in the possession of the Triforce of Power (as he was in both TWW and TP) has the ability to willingly switch back and forth between his Gerudo and Beast forms, so it stands to reason that TWW's Ganondorf could do this too, turning back into Beast Ganon when he first got out of the Sacred Realm, but later opting to stay in his Gerudo form over his many years of self-reflection.

 

 

While some fans specify the pig as Ganon and the human(ish) form as Ganondorf, that doesn't seem to be a meaningful distinction within the story.  From the games, Ganon seems to be able to switch back and forth at will, and other characters call him by whatever name regardless of form.  The King of Hyrule calls him Ganon throughout Wind Waker despite staying in gerudo form the entire time.

The difference mainly stems from how, in the 2D games, he never reverts back to his Gerudo form, only ever remaining in his pig Ganon form. It's mostly just a means of convenience when discussing the two forms of his by using "Ganondorf" to refer to his Gerudo form and "Ganon" for his pig/beast form. However, in OoT specifically, the boss name captions for him read as "Great King of Evil: Ganondorf" for his Gerudo form and "Ganon" for his beast form.

 

As for the King in TWW only ever calling him just "Ganon", perhaps his Gerudo name had been lost to the ages and by the time of that king's rule, he was only ever known as "Ganon", historically, while we the player know of his other name. Helping this matter is the notion of his having emerged from the Sacred Realm in his beast form, as is depicted in the game's prologue, so maybe that name gained more traction and infamy as Ganondorf initially used his beast form before eventually switching back.


Edited by Sabrblade, 16 June 2020 - 09:37 AM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 01:10 AM

Hyrule Warriors is the Imprisoning War.  



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 09:00 PM

Last I checked, Hyrule Warriors was it's own thing and not in-continuity with the non-Warriors games.

Being a different continuity has it's advantages, as the debates about the timeline show.
 

Allow me to explain.
 
Going by the original text of the ALttP prologue, the events that led up to the beginning of that game are incompatible with the Adult Ending of OoT, whereas the Child Ending doesn't contradict anything in the prologue because that ending takes place at a point prior to when Ganondorf ever does anything drastic to the kingdom, and is left open-ended from that point onward.
 
In the ALttP prologue, as given by original text of the game's manual (most specifically, the Japanese version of this text), Ganondorf is said to have led a band of thieves in search for the entrance to the Sacred Realm, and that he and his group managed to find the entrance and open it quite by happenstance. Once inside the Sacred Realm, upon gazing at the Triforce, the brigands began to fight each other until Ganondorf was the last one standing. He touched the Triforce and made his wish, acquiring the complete Triforce right then and there, and becoming the King of Evil, Ganon.
 
From within the Sacred Realm, Ganon remained there indefinitely (as in-game dialogue states that he couldn't get out of the Sacred Realm once he got inside it) and began to pour out his malice across the land of Hyrule. As his evil power spread towards the castle, the still-living king called for the Seven Sages and the knights to help protect the kingdom and find a way to seal away the source of the evil power. While the Sages searched for the Master Sword (as this was before OoT established its residing within the Temple of Time) and a hero to wield it (which ties nicely into the fact that Link left Hyrule after OoT during MM, meaning a new hero was needed by this point), Ganon's evil power began to close in on the castle. As the situation became too urgent to keep looking for the sword and the hero, the knights fought valiantly to the very end until the Sages could seal away the entrance to the Sacred Realm with Ganon still inside it, thus bringing an end to the Seal War (Japanese name of the Imprisoning War).
 
With OoT's Child Ending being as open ended as it is, all of the above could have still happened in the years following that ending. All that would need to happen in the meantime is for Ganondorf to retreat and lay low for a while after Link exposed his treasonous ambitions to Zelda and her father. Ganondorf would have to quietly bide his time until such a point when he could to acquire some more followers and form his new band of thieves that he would lead in search of the Sacred Realm's entrance, now that the Temple of Time would be completely out of his reach due to his newfound status as a wanted criminal.
 
The Master Sword would also need to be moved and hidden away since it resides within the Lost Woods during ALttP. In fact, if the sword is the key to opening the Sacred Realm, perhaps that's both why it was moved in the first place and also why a different entrance to the Sacred Realm would been to be searched for, since the realm would no longer be accessible from the Temple of Time due to the Master Sword having been relocated from there to its hiding place in the Lost Woods. And as mentioned above, the lack of a hero needed to wield the sword's power would be due to Link having left Hyrule after OoT to partake in the events of Majora's Mask.
 
The events of the game's Adult story, however, are completely at odds with the above events. In OoT, Ganondorf does not lead a band of thieves in search of the Sacred Realm's entrance since he already knows that said entrance is behind the Door of Time inside the Temple of Time. He does not open the entrance "by chance", he specifically orchestrates all of the events that lead to the young Link opening it for him. When he enters the Sacred Realm, he does not get the complete Triforce but instead only gets the Triforce of Power. After that, he comes back out of the Sacred Realm to rule Hyrule as its new king, seemingly murdering the rightful king, Zelda's father, off-screen, instead of staying inside the Sacred Realm as his primary base of operations the whole time, never killing the king until long after the Imprisoning War when he uses Agahnim to usurp the throne. And of course, he does not become Ganon until the very end of the Adult storyline instead of becoming Ganon and staying as Ganon when he first gets the Triforce inside the Sacred Realm.

 
Ganon is the leader of the Gerudo thieves in Ocarina. Calling an entire civilization thieves is kinda insulting, but you can't say that he didn't have a crew.

Anyway, you are basing all of this on treating a game manual as a stronger canon source than everything that came later. I find this argument flawed, at best. Partly because the story in the manual is written like an in-universe legend, and therefore not necessarily accurate, but also because Nintendo doesn't have to stick with it. Just look at the legend of the Master Sword from the manual versus the actual events surrounding it's creation. It could be generously described as inaccurate, but straight-up wrong seems a more truthful way of putting it.

In short, games beat manuals.

 

...How the heck is Ganondorf supposed to just run off after being accused of treason in Hyrule Castle?  Say what you will about Twilight Princess, but being capturing and executed is more likely than just exiting stage left at that point.
 
 

Yes, that is a retcon that Hyrule Historia came up with to try to force ALttP into fitting with OoT's Adult storyline, when it does not fit on its own as described above. And, in order to make said retcon work, the book had to come up with an entirely different backstory for the Imprisoning War that likewise contradicted the original backstory given in the game's instruction manual.
 
And that's not even getting into the fact that this third branch wants us to play OoT in the wrong way (as in, to play the game all the way up to the end and then deliberately lose the Ganondorf boss battle) in order for it to even happen.

Deliberately lose? Ocarina isn't a hard game, but I wouldn't say that failing to win requires the player to take a deliberate fall, either.

I have no idea of why I should consider this a meaningful objection. It's continuing from a bad end. The Imprisoning War always required an off-screen failure to happen in the first place. Heck, same for Wind Waker.  And Breath of the Wild, which...  Okay, was technically on-screen, but still required the heroes to fail.
 
 

The difference mainly stems from how, in the 2D games, he never reverts back to his Gerudo form, only ever remaining in his pig Ganon form. It's mostly just a means of convenience when discussing the two forms of his by using "Ganondorf" to refer to his Gerudo form and "Ganon" for his pig/beast form. However, in OoT specifically, the boss name captions for him read as "Great King of Evil: Ganondorf" for his Gerudo form and "Ganon" for his beast form.
 
As for the King in TWW only ever calling him just "Ganon", perhaps his Gerudo name had been lost to the ages and by the time of that king's rule, he was only ever known as "Ganon", historically, while we the player know of his other name. Helping this matter is the notion of his having emerged from the Sacred Realm in his beast form, as is depicted in the game's prologue, so maybe that name gained more traction and infamy as Ganondorf initially used his beast form before eventually switching back.

 
  
Yeah, you're not really convincing me that there's a meaningful story distinction between the long and short forms of his name.  With him able to just switch back and forth, how do you know whether they're talking about the pig or the man?

 

I always figured that he never turned back in the Downfall timeline because he never had a reason to do so.  Why take his weaker form when he's here to conquer?


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 09:43 PM

They also said Triforce Heroes is canon so I have little interest in what the "official" stance on Zelda lore is.



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Posted 20 June 2020 - 06:01 AM

But you've all left out the most important game of all in your timelines... where does Link's Crossbow Training fit in??

(I'm kidding of course, it's totally a side quest of TP)

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 06:29 AM

But what about Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland?



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Posted 07 July 2020 - 12:12 PM

This is just... surreal!

 


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 09 July 2020 - 07:55 PM

I hugging did it!

 

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Posted 10 July 2020 - 02:57 PM

I just restarted the game because of my new 65" TV.    there were so many visuals I missed on the smaller tv.



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Posted 02 August 2020 - 08:22 AM

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Posted 03 August 2020 - 09:07 PM

It seems Cadence of Hyrule is getting some DLC content. Including a new side story with the Skull Kid

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Posted 04 August 2020 - 10:21 AM

*quickly scans the thread to see if this has been mentioned yet...it doesn't seem to be?*

 

Also, Cadence of Hyrule's getting a physical version with all the DLC included, it'll be out October 23.


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Posted 04 August 2020 - 05:27 PM

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 04 August 2020 - 06:57 PM

Humans eat plants, why don't they just eat grass?



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Posted 04 August 2020 - 08:10 PM

I mean, right there

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