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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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#41 Destron D-69

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:17 PM

I don't remember seeing posts after Batman begins asking why Batman wasn't cast non-white since he knew kung-fu

 

maybe I'm just resentful because I had to give up break dancing when I was told I was I white guy and shouldn't try to be good at things from other cultures.

 

lot of racism up here back in the day.  



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:22 PM

The obvious answer is to get Keith Carradine to play Iron Fist's mentor.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:42 PM

I don't remember seeing posts after Batman begins asking why Batman wasn't cast non-white since he knew kung-fu

 

maybe I'm just resentful because I had to give up break dancing when I was told I was I white guy and shouldn't try to be good at things from other cultures.

 

lot of racism up here back in the day.  

Well, maybe it has to do with the fact that while the League Of Shadows was located in Asia, it wasn't a strictly asian culture and had agents of all makes of life and was even run by an irish dude with an arabian name that had an asian guy pretend to be him to throw a shocking swerve at the viewer.

 

And even then, we're getting into DC territory, who're even worse than Marvel at having good asian heroes amongst them. Marvel at least has Shang-Chi, Sunfire, Jubilee and a bunch of others, but DC just has Katana, and then there's all these other martial arts dudes who're all totes white, like Richard Dragon and Batman and his Bat-pals....

They had Ryan Choi too, but for a ridiculously short time before killing him off so his white-dude predecessor could come back to be the Atom again.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:51 PM

I've always swung more toward the 'make more good not-white characters' then the "make more good white characters -not" group.

 

I just can't see the problem ... is it wrong for a non-white kid to admire the exploits of a white superhero?

 

... cause on that score ...I don't think any of us should be following transformers anymore



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:52 PM

It's not about him knowing Kung-Fu, it's about him being the great white savior of another race. No one needs that. Either change the race or change the story.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:56 PM

It's the horrible implications of the thing. This ancient asian culture with legends of a chosen one, and it turns out the chosen one is the Aryanest mothertrumpeter ever.

 

Can you seriously not get that?


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You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

I just can't see the problem ... is it wrong for a non-white kid to admire the exploits of a white superhero?

 

Of course not.

 

And if they want to admire the exploits of a white superhero they have HUNDREDS to choose from.

 

So yeah, there is absolutely no reason for him to still be a white guy given the year, the demographics, and his origin.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

I've seen that and I really don't like it.

 

This, however, I would pay to see...

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:14 PM

*yawn*

 

Ironbite-Call me when Deadpool reverts back to..,.,wait.  Defenders?  DARKHAWK!?

I want to see a live action Darkhawk SO BADLY.

 

I still think he'd make a great addition to Agents of Shield as well,  but it would tickle me to no end to see the character get some sort of spotlight in any live action Marvel project



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:19 PM

Darkhawk was one of the stranger attempts at recreating the magic of Peter Parker. It never really hooked me, even when he was a Warrior.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:28 PM

My only exposure to Darkhawk was with Amazing Spider-Man: Friends And Enemies. Which is the last thing you'd want to be remembered for.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:42 PM

The obvious answer is to get Keith Carradine to play Iron Fist's mentor.

I think you meant David Carradine, star of both Kung Fu TV series.  But then again, I just learned that he's no longer with us, so I guess Keith would have to do.

 

It's the horrible implications of the thing. This ancient asian culture with legends of a chosen one, and it turns out the chosen one is the Aryanest mothertrumpeter ever.

 

Can you seriously not get that?

I really want the next movie with this trope to have someone say this line verbatim.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:00 PM

Well legends don't usually say what color, creed, and sex the chosen one will be. Prophecies and such tend to be really vague.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:42 PM

*yawn*

 

Ironbite-Call me when Deadpool reverts back to..,.,wait.  Defenders?  DARKHAWK!?

 

Do you mean Nighthawk? I don't think Darkhawk was ever a Defender.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:54 AM

Did I stutter?  Did I attempt to write Nighthawk at all?  No.  I meant mother hugging Darkhawk.

 

Ironbite-because I want my killer cyborg android raptor thing on live tv damn it.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:20 AM

Darkhawk would be awesome.

 

okay, so it's the fact that a prophetic assumption turned out to not be true... which the people who had the prophecy all that time, seem to be okay with.. that you guys think needs to be changed.  I'm following this, i just don't see one outcome being better than the other.

Danny is a white guy ... are we having the Peter Parker /Spider-man thing again just with magic tossed in?

 

3 options:

Danny stays Ironfist and white

Danny stays Ironfist and isn't white

Ironfist is a different person.

 

since I like the character as is, 2 of those options 'feel' better to me for adaptation. However I understand that this is not 616 the tv show and I'm a huge fan of how Nick Fury's character has maintained -regardless of his race. So I happily admit it can/ has/ and like would be done marvelously in this scenario as well... I'm just not convinced it has to.     



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:38 AM

okay, so it's the fact that a prophetic assumption turned out to not be true... which the people who had the prophecy all that time, seem to be okay with..

Yeah, because the writer says they are. Doesn't magically make all the implications disappear.

 

 

I'm just not convinced it has to.

If Heimdall hasn't convinced you, I'm starting to think nothing will.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:55 AM

I swear to god I will only going to post this once. If you still don't get it then it's on you.

 

For centuries. have been inundated with tales of a white person, usually male, showing up to save the natives/minorities/foreign culture from themselves/ancient prophecy/outside force. It's a tale as old as Europeans discovering they could travel.

It even goes beyond that. Stories HAVE to be told from the white perspective in order for people to listen. The Help was a great movie but at the same time does it really need to be told from perspective of the white girl that ends up being the only one that could help them?

I haven't seen The Impossible because it centers on the one white family in the middle of a foreign land. With all the pain and loss that area went through they chose this story, based on true events or not, to center on this one family.

 

It's tiresome. It's old. If really damn insulting.

 

Is Danny Rands race actually important? Does his background as a white kid really reflect on who he is as Iron Fist? No? Then change it and stop promoting more of these insulting stories. Stop showing every other race as some bunch of infants in need of saving.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:18 AM

So I happily admit it can/ has/ and like would be done marvelously in this scenario as well... I'm just not convinced it has to.

 

It doesn't *have* to no but realistically the only reason a character with that background/origin would be the white son of a wealthy white billionaire would be because "it's like that in the comics".

 

Which I hope we can all agree is a stupid reason to keep something.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:22 AM

Change the race, keep the nationality.

It's not "He's white", it's "He's the same color as the audience."

And the audience has changed, so has he.

 

On the other hand, having an asian guy team up with a black guy? Sorry, I'd rather watch Lethal Weapon than Rush Hour.

 

Like Daredevil, I actually don't think any of this matters and I'm just waiting to see who the announced directors and show-runners are.


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