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[Destron D-69]

I don't remember seeing posts after Batman begins asking why Batman wasn't cast non-white since he knew kung-fu

 

maybe I'm just resentful because I had to give up break dancing when I was told I was I white guy and shouldn't try to be good at things from other cultures.

 

lot of racism up here back in the day.  

[Rust]

The obvious answer is to get Keith Carradine to play Iron Fist's mentor.

[Detour]

I don't remember seeing posts after Batman begins asking why Batman wasn't cast non-white since he knew kung-fu

 

maybe I'm just resentful because I had to give up break dancing when I was told I was I white guy and shouldn't try to be good at things from other cultures.

 

lot of racism up here back in the day.  

Well, maybe it has to do with the fact that while the League Of Shadows was located in Asia, it wasn't a strictly asian culture and had agents of all makes of life and was even run by an irish dude with an arabian name that had an asian guy pretend to be him to throw a shocking swerve at the viewer.

 

And even then, we're getting into DC territory, who're even worse than Marvel at having good asian heroes amongst them. Marvel at least has Shang-Chi, Sunfire, Jubilee and a bunch of others, but DC just has Katana, and then there's all these other martial arts dudes who're all totes white, like Richard Dragon and Batman and his Bat-pals....

They had Ryan Choi too, but for a ridiculously short time before killing him off so his white-dude predecessor could come back to be the Atom again.

[Destron D-69]

I've always swung more toward the 'make more good not-white characters' then the "make more good white characters -not" group.

 

I just can't see the problem ... is it wrong for a non-white kid to admire the exploits of a white superhero?

 

... cause on that score ...I don't think any of us should be following transformers anymore

[Cheetimus Primal]

It's not about him knowing Kung-Fu, it's about him being the great white savior of another race. No one needs that. Either change the race or change the story.

[Detour]

It's the horrible implications of the thing. This ancient asian culture with legends of a chosen one, and it turns out the chosen one is the Aryanest mothertrumpeter ever.

 

Can you seriously not get that?

[MrBlud]

I just can't see the problem ... is it wrong for a non-white kid to admire the exploits of a white superhero?

 

Of course not.

 

And if they want to admire the exploits of a white superhero they have HUNDREDS to choose from.

 

So yeah, there is absolutely no reason for him to still be a white guy given the year, the demographics, and his origin.

[Devcon]

I've seen that and I really don't like it.

 

This, however, I would pay to see...

ALL OF MY MONEY. ALL OF IT.

[Steevy Maximus]

*yawn*

 

Ironbite-Call me when Deadpool reverts back to..,.,wait.  Defenders?  DARKHAWK!?

I want to see a live action Darkhawk SO BADLY.

 

I still think he'd make a great addition to Agents of Shield as well,  but it would tickle me to no end to see the character get some sort of spotlight in any live action Marvel project

[Cheetimus Primal]

Darkhawk was one of the stranger attempts at recreating the magic of Peter Parker. It never really hooked me, even when he was a Warrior.

[Detour]

My only exposure to Darkhawk was with Amazing Spider-Man: Friends And Enemies. Which is the last thing you'd want to be remembered for.

[Aberration]

The obvious answer is to get Keith Carradine to play Iron Fist's mentor.

I think you meant David Carradine, star of both Kung Fu TV series.  But then again, I just learned that he's no longer with us, so I guess Keith would have to do.

 

It's the horrible implications of the thing. This ancient asian culture with legends of a chosen one, and it turns out the chosen one is the Aryanest mothertrumpeter ever.

 

Can you seriously not get that?

I really want the next movie with this trope to have someone say this line verbatim.

[Shadewing]

Well legends don't usually say what color, creed, and sex the chosen one will be. Prophecies and such tend to be really vague.

[Sockie]

*yawn*

 

Ironbite-Call me when Deadpool reverts back to..,.,wait.  Defenders?  DARKHAWK!?

 

Do you mean Nighthawk? I don't think Darkhawk was ever a Defender.

[Ironbite]

Did I stutter?  Did I attempt to write Nighthawk at all?  No.  I meant mother hugging Darkhawk.

 

Ironbite-because I want my killer cyborg android raptor thing on live tv damn it.

[Destron D-69]

Darkhawk would be awesome.

 

okay, so it's the fact that a prophetic assumption turned out to not be true... which the people who had the prophecy all that time, seem to be okay with.. that you guys think needs to be changed.  I'm following this, i just don't see one outcome being better than the other.

Danny is a white guy ... are we having the Peter Parker /Spider-man thing again just with magic tossed in?

 

3 options:

Danny stays Ironfist and white

Danny stays Ironfist and isn't white

Ironfist is a different person.

 

since I like the character as is, 2 of those options 'feel' better to me for adaptation. However I understand that this is not 616 the tv show and I'm a huge fan of how Nick Fury's character has maintained -regardless of his race. So I happily admit it can/ has/ and like would be done marvelously in this scenario as well... I'm just not convinced it has to.     

[Detour]

okay, so it's the fact that a prophetic assumption turned out to not be true... which the people who had the prophecy all that time, seem to be okay with..

Yeah, because the writer says they are. Doesn't magically make all the implications disappear.

 

 

I'm just not convinced it has to.

If Heimdall hasn't convinced you, I'm starting to think nothing will.

[Cheetimus Primal]

I swear to god I will only going to post this once. If you still don't get it then it's on you.

 

For centuries. have been inundated with tales of a white person, usually male, showing up to save the natives/minorities/foreign culture from themselves/ancient prophecy/outside force. It's a tale as old as Europeans discovering they could travel.

It even goes beyond that. Stories HAVE to be told from the white perspective in order for people to listen. The Help was a great movie but at the same time does it really need to be told from perspective of the white girl that ends up being the only one that could help them?

I haven't seen The Impossible because it centers on the one white family in the middle of a foreign land. With all the pain and loss that area went through they chose this story, based on true events or not, to center on this one family.

 

It's tiresome. It's old. If really damn insulting.

 

Is Danny Rands race actually important? Does his background as a white kid really reflect on who he is as Iron Fist? No? Then change it and stop promoting more of these insulting stories. Stop showing every other race as some bunch of infants in need of saving.

[MrBlud]

So I happily admit it can/ has/ and like would be done marvelously in this scenario as well... I'm just not convinced it has to.

 

It doesn't *have* to no but realistically the only reason a character with that background/origin would be the white son of a wealthy white billionaire would be because "it's like that in the comics".

 

Which I hope we can all agree is a stupid reason to keep something.

Edited by MrBlud, 08 November 2013 - 04:21 AM.

[Zodberg]

Change the race, keep the nationality.

It's not "He's white", it's "He's the same color as the audience."

And the audience has changed, so has he.

 

On the other hand, having an asian guy team up with a black guy? Sorry, I'd rather watch Lethal Weapon than Rush Hour.

 

Like Daredevil, I actually don't think any of this matters and I'm just waiting to see who the announced directors and show-runners are.