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@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:17 PM

I don't remember seeing posts after Batman begins asking why Batman wasn't cast non-white since he knew kung-fu

 

maybe I'm just resentful because I had to give up break dancing when I was told I was I white guy and shouldn't try to be good at things from other cultures.

 

lot of racism up here back in the day.  


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:22 PM

The obvious answer is to get Keith Carradine to play Iron Fist's mentor.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:42 PM

I don't remember seeing posts after Batman begins asking why Batman wasn't cast non-white since he knew kung-fu

 

maybe I'm just resentful because I had to give up break dancing when I was told I was I white guy and shouldn't try to be good at things from other cultures.

 

lot of racism up here back in the day.  

Well, maybe it has to do with the fact that while the League Of Shadows was located in Asia, it wasn't a strictly asian culture and had agents of all makes of life and was even run by an irish dude with an arabian name that had an asian guy pretend to be him to throw a shocking swerve at the viewer.

 

And even then, we're getting into DC territory, who're even worse than Marvel at having good asian heroes amongst them. Marvel at least has Shang-Chi, Sunfire, Jubilee and a bunch of others, but DC just has Katana, and then there's all these other martial arts dudes who're all totes white, like Richard Dragon and Batman and his Bat-pals....

They had Ryan Choi too, but for a ridiculously short time before killing him off so his white-dude predecessor could come back to be the Atom again.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:51 PM

I've always swung more toward the 'make more good not-white characters' then the "make more good white characters -not" group.

 

I just can't see the problem ... is it wrong for a non-white kid to admire the exploits of a white superhero?

 

... cause on that score ...I don't think any of us should be following transformers anymore


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:52 PM

It's not about him knowing Kung-Fu, it's about him being the great white savior of another race. No one needs that. Either change the race or change the story.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:56 PM

It's the horrible implications of the thing. This ancient asian culture with legends of a chosen one, and it turns out the chosen one is the Aryanest mothertrumpeter ever.

 

Can you seriously not get that?


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

I just can't see the problem ... is it wrong for a non-white kid to admire the exploits of a white superhero?

 

Of course not.

 

And if they want to admire the exploits of a white superhero they have HUNDREDS to choose from.

 

So yeah, there is absolutely no reason for him to still be a white guy given the year, the demographics, and his origin.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

I've seen that and I really don't like it.

 

This, however, I would pay to see...

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:14 PM

*yawn*

 

Ironbite-Call me when Deadpool reverts back to..,.,wait.  Defenders?  DARKHAWK!?

I want to see a live action Darkhawk SO BADLY.

 

I still think he'd make a great addition to Agents of Shield as well,  but it would tickle me to no end to see the character get some sort of spotlight in any live action Marvel project



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:19 PM

Darkhawk was one of the stranger attempts at recreating the magic of Peter Parker. It never really hooked me, even when he was a Warrior.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:28 PM

My only exposure to Darkhawk was with Amazing Spider-Man: Friends And Enemies. Which is the last thing you'd want to be remembered for.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:42 PM

The obvious answer is to get Keith Carradine to play Iron Fist's mentor.

I think you meant David Carradine, star of both Kung Fu TV series.  But then again, I just learned that he's no longer with us, so I guess Keith would have to do.

 

It's the horrible implications of the thing. This ancient asian culture with legends of a chosen one, and it turns out the chosen one is the Aryanest mothertrumpeter ever.

 

Can you seriously not get that?

I really want the next movie with this trope to have someone say this line verbatim.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:00 PM

Well legends don't usually say what color, creed, and sex the chosen one will be. Prophecies and such tend to be really vague.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:42 PM

*yawn*

 

Ironbite-Call me when Deadpool reverts back to..,.,wait.  Defenders?  DARKHAWK!?

 

Do you mean Nighthawk? I don't think Darkhawk was ever a Defender.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:54 AM

Did I stutter?  Did I attempt to write Nighthawk at all?  No.  I meant mother hugging Darkhawk.

 

Ironbite-because I want my killer cyborg android raptor thing on live tv damn it.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:20 AM

Darkhawk would be awesome.

 

okay, so it's the fact that a prophetic assumption turned out to not be true... which the people who had the prophecy all that time, seem to be okay with.. that you guys think needs to be changed.  I'm following this, i just don't see one outcome being better than the other.

Danny is a white guy ... are we having the Peter Parker /Spider-man thing again just with magic tossed in?

 

3 options:

Danny stays Ironfist and white

Danny stays Ironfist and isn't white

Ironfist is a different person.

 

since I like the character as is, 2 of those options 'feel' better to me for adaptation. However I understand that this is not 616 the tv show and I'm a huge fan of how Nick Fury's character has maintained -regardless of his race. So I happily admit it can/ has/ and like would be done marvelously in this scenario as well... I'm just not convinced it has to.     


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:38 AM

okay, so it's the fact that a prophetic assumption turned out to not be true... which the people who had the prophecy all that time, seem to be okay with..

Yeah, because the writer says they are. Doesn't magically make all the implications disappear.

 

 

I'm just not convinced it has to.

If Heimdall hasn't convinced you, I'm starting to think nothing will.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:55 AM

I swear to god I will only going to post this once. If you still don't get it then it's on you.

 

For centuries. have been inundated with tales of a white person, usually male, showing up to save the natives/minorities/foreign culture from themselves/ancient prophecy/outside force. It's a tale as old as Europeans discovering they could travel.

It even goes beyond that. Stories HAVE to be told from the white perspective in order for people to listen. The Help was a great movie but at the same time does it really need to be told from perspective of the white girl that ends up being the only one that could help them?

I haven't seen The Impossible because it centers on the one white family in the middle of a foreign land. With all the pain and loss that area went through they chose this story, based on true events or not, to center on this one family.

 

It's tiresome. It's old. If really damn insulting.

 

Is Danny Rands race actually important? Does his background as a white kid really reflect on who he is as Iron Fist? No? Then change it and stop promoting more of these insulting stories. Stop showing every other race as some bunch of infants in need of saving.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:18 AM

So I happily admit it can/ has/ and like would be done marvelously in this scenario as well... I'm just not convinced it has to.

 

It doesn't *have* to no but realistically the only reason a character with that background/origin would be the white son of a wealthy white billionaire would be because "it's like that in the comics".

 

Which I hope we can all agree is a stupid reason to keep something.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:22 AM

Change the race, keep the nationality.

It's not "He's white", it's "He's the same color as the audience."

And the audience has changed, so has he.

 

On the other hand, having an asian guy team up with a black guy? Sorry, I'd rather watch Lethal Weapon than Rush Hour.

 

Like Daredevil, I actually don't think any of this matters and I'm just waiting to see who the announced directors and show-runners are.


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