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@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:55 PM)

It kept repeating until I sat up.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:54 PM)

I've been up since three and when sheepish I was hallucinating something knocking twice against my bedroom door.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 December 2019 - 06:58 PM)

Then repaint Apeface and Snapdragon as Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron. It's crazy enough to work.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Moral imperative.

@  Nevermore : (07 December 2019 - 05:13 PM)

Wishful thinking, rumor or leak?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

Snapdragon for Earthrise.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

Cue the flashback to Jonathan, reassuring a terrified child: "What you are is never as important as who you are." Cue Superman's response to Brainiac: "I already know who I am."*John Williams fanfare plays*

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

I don't think we even really need to see Krypton. I'd start with Clark growing up in Kansas, thinking he's normal, and follow him through the development of his powers. There've been enough alternate takes on Krypton that it could actually work as a mystery; is this the pre-Crisis utopia, the sterile science world, or the relic of a fallen empire? Brainiac was there, and he tempts Clark with the knowledge of what he really is.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:12 AM)

First, a Krypton film, ending with baby Kal-El being found on Earth.  Then Supe's early career film, establishing his values... and if Jonothan Kent needs to die, it happens because of something like a heart attack while Clark is savnig folks on the other side of the world.  After we know Clark minimizes property damage and never kills, have Zod & Company show up and force him to make tough choices.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Man of Steel seems like someone came up with a Superman trilogy and then the execs said "We've got to catch up to Marvel, make it one film!".  I don't mean that based on the film's actual pacing, but because various story beats make more sense to me if they weren't all squished together.

@  Cybersnark : (03 December 2019 - 07:44 PM)

I've been wanting to write a Superman movie trilogy for years; "Man of Steel" (featuring a Terminator-like Brainiac) was going to be first, with "Last Son of Krypton" (featuring the Eradicator) as the sequel and "Man of Tomorrow" (in which Luthor makes his face-heel turn) as the conclusion. Thanks to Snyder I have to re-arrange my titles.

@  Nevermore : (03 December 2019 - 06:15 PM)

I still wish "Man of Steel" had instead been an adaptation of both the John Byrne miniseries of the same name and the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale miniseries "Superman For All Seasons".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (03 December 2019 - 04:42 PM)

A take I just read: Man of Steel is shot with such a lack of lighting that it is easier to discern what is going on in a porn film.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 December 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Making Soylant is harder then it looks, it's not like the movies, you have to keep whacking and hacking at the ingredient, it'll scream and fight, maybe bite but eventually it will go down.

@  Paladin : (03 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

varies from person to person.

@  Benbot : (03 December 2019 - 11:34 AM)

It's an acquired taste

@  CORVUS : (03 December 2019 - 11:17 AM)

Soylent? Its pretty awful.

@  unluckiness : (03 December 2019 - 02:49 AM)

Depends on your denomination of Christianity

@  Patch : (02 December 2019 - 05:52 PM)

@Benbot Do they have a soy-free version? Like maybe just "Lent?"

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 02:03 PM)

Just occurred to me 'Autobot' Megatron happened in Target 2006.

@  Benbot : (02 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

have you tried Soylent? It's pretty good! https://soylent.com/

@  Paladin : (02 December 2019 - 10:01 AM)

i prefer free-range human usually. pain in the ass to hunt though...

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 December 2019 - 09:42 AM)

If your human is all bones, you may have purchased a skeleton by accident. Contact your grocer to inquire about exhange policies.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 09:31 AM)

Vegans are categorised as human therefore just fall under Soylant, they are usually all bones.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Cause... that latter one is technically all burgers anyway.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:46 PM)

So... a burger made without meat, or a burger made with the meat taken from a vegan?

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 December 2019 - 04:22 PM)

I had a vegan burger last week, this week I'll give a vegan steak a shot.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

a proper paradox would have broken the board. Nice try though.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 November 2019 - 01:47 AM)

This shout is empty.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 November 2019 - 12:01 AM)

I've got the admit. tubi tv is great. It's got a lot of stuff.. Including Super Sentai.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There is frankly no better place to (legally) find schlock on the internet for free than Tubi TV

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:33 PM)

It's got all the graphic violence and gratuitous nudity a late 80s OVA should have.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

Available for free with ads on Tubi TV.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

It's "Goku: Midnight Eye". Originally produced in the late 80s, it apparently wasn't dubbed until the late 90s given Steve Blum was the lead.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 06:38 PM)

The description makes it sound like some high grade, mid 80's shlock. Which, frankly, is my groove.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Was wondering how long it would take someone to ask.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 09:58 AM)

okay, it's been like two days so far: what anime is this, cause I'm dying to know.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 November 2019 - 09:23 PM)

You know you're in for a good time when an old anime starts with a crime lord uses roller skates in his cybernetic legs to skate down the side of the building, launches to a dock and into a getaway boat.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (26 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Hey Everyone I'm Making The TF Roll Out Short "Gotta Go Fast!"

@  Benbot : (26 November 2019 - 12:52 PM)

That's what I was hoping for. But here I am, at work the following day.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

You say "die in bed" and I'm thinking "why is that a problem?".

@  fourteenwings : (26 November 2019 - 07:06 AM)

If you don't get out of bed ever your muscles will lock in super-uncomfortable ways and you may get blood clots

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:53 PM)

You did nothing, and so rocks fall down and you die.


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#1 Dvandom

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:29 AM

City of Titans, the fan-run game intended to be a successor to City of Heroes.

Several of the people involved in running this are long-time friends of mine, so I trust that this is an honest attempt by people with at least some clue how the industry works. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:50 AM

Was about to post this myself. Been following this for a while, hoping that they reach the goal.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 03:08 PM

Lots of smoke and mirrors in that video.

Good on them though for getting as far as they have, though 320,000 is very, very, VERY little for what you need to create an MMO. Especially after reading that after paying the fees for everything, it's only 180,000.

I see this going no where if they can make their goal.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

I want Phoenix Project to succeed, but the Kickstarter goal indicates what I've long feared - ignorance of what it takes to build something as complex as a MMO from the ground up. Plus it's assuming the Volunteers will remain Volunteers as the project reaches completion. I foresee a lot of legal fights in the future if the game is successful to the point it's banking rather then simply covering operational costs because the question then becomes who gets the money?

I miss City of Heroes dearly, and Phoenix Project is a lot more down to earth then it's counterpart - Heroes and Villains - in terms of operational realities, but they're still really lowballing the price tag and the final name for the project just feels really uninspired, to boot.

I really, really hope they can make this game a reality but there's still so much work to do.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 04:45 PM

If you read the whole page, this is basically a "get it far enough to start selling subscriptions" kickstarter. They plan for it to be self-supporting once it gets going, but the kickstarter is to cover basic startup (license the Unreal engine, get software to let them get the work done by 2015 instead of by 2020). There are gaming industry veterans involved, they're not ignorant of the costs involved. They're simply not trying to kickstart the entire cost.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:38 PM

yeah...

I'm curious who the industry vets are and their experience. The only ones I saw that had 'experience' on their page looked like members of the community or QA department. If they honestly had veterans, then that should be a selling point on their page.

Any vet worth their salt wouldn't start with the Cry Engine for an MMO.

Also, 180K for software like 3d max is not right either. A single license for Max is roughly 3,700. 180k will buy you 50 seats. That's not unreasonable for an MMO sized team, but still, this doesn't seem right to me. All your money should go to programmers and servers if you're making an MMO.

Plus, what does 'get it far enough to start selling subscriptions' mean? To me that would mean there would have to be a demo at least. A demo would have to have major systems completed. After that it's all about building content. That's where you're subscription money will go.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:45 PM

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That $180,000 is mostly going straight to software.

Autodesk's Maya and 3DS Max. They’re not cheap, and we need them to do the work. Each of them has strengths and weaknesses, and we need at least 24 copies for the art and tech teams to be able to do their jobs. There are several different versions, each targeting different levels of needs, and the 24 total copies are split between the various members to their need, based on the tasks they have.

We’ll need multiple copies of a few tools like zbrush, Allegorithmic, 8DIO, Photoshop and Illustrator.

Then we have the costs for the website servers and bandwidth. The more you love us, the more expensive it’s going to get.

And, finally, a little cash to put a tax lawyer, book keeper and legal professional on retainer. Purely fee for service, but they will pay for themselves in troubles solved and money saved.

There are a few smaller items, such as RAM for some rendering, some 3D mice, drawing tablets, depending on individual artist needs.


It's not $180K for 3DMax alone. There's also Autodesk, no clue how expensive that is, but they say it's not cheap. They're looking for 24 sets of software, because that's how many people they have working on stuff.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE(Dvandom @ Oct 2 2013, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That $180,000 is mostly going straight to software.

Autodesk's Maya and 3DS Max. They?re not cheap, and we need them to do the work. Each of them has strengths and weaknesses, and we need at least 24 copies for the art and tech teams to be able to do their jobs. There are several different versions, each targeting different levels of needs, and the 24 total copies are split between the various members to their need, based on the tasks they have.

We?ll need multiple copies of a few tools like zbrush, Allegorithmic, 8DIO, Photoshop and Illustrator.

Then we have the costs for the website servers and bandwidth. The more you love us, the more expensive it?s going to get.

And, finally, a little cash to put a tax lawyer, book keeper and legal professional on retainer. Purely fee for service, but they will pay for themselves in troubles solved and money saved.

There are a few smaller items, such as RAM for some rendering, some 3D mice, drawing tablets, depending on individual artist needs.


It's not $180K for 3DMax alone. There's also Autodesk, no clue how expensive that is, but they say it's not cheap. They're looking for 24 sets of software, because that's how many people they have working on stuff.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 07:16 PM

Ultimately, it's a blue sky project whose primary selling point is people who badly want City of Heroes back.

I'm one of those people, but even I know that's not the way you make a game.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:03 PM

I was pretty excited about this until I read through the Kickstarter page and found a surprising lack of details on features. I mean... are they just pitching it from the standpoint that they're going to ape City of Heroes/Villains and that's all we need to know? I'd like to back this, but as is I'm going to just wait until 2015.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE(Teufel @ Oct 9 2013, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I mean... are they just pitching it from the standpoint that they're going to ape City of Heroes/Villains and that's all we need to know?


That's not a bug - it's a feature.

Both City of Titans and Heroes and Villains aren't trying to break the mold here. They were both started with the intent of recreating City of Heroes as close as possible without warranting legal action from NCSoft.

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 09:10 PM

I suppose as someone who found City of Villains unnecessary and lost interest in City of Heroes in general after several months of regular play the idea of just recreating CoH was a little disappointing.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 09:22 PM

Just recreating CoX is not what's going on with ANY of the 3 in-progress successors.

 

It may or may not fly, but please, let's not mis-characterize it.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:56 AM

Oh come on, you can't tell me looking at the CoT Concept art that they aren't heavily aping Atlas Park there. Like I've said, I want this project to succeed, but I'm going in with both eyes open. They've talked heavily about the various storylines for various classes, but I'll believe those when I see them.

 

You can promise anything when the game isn't anywhere near completion but once deadlines start coming down around you...it'll be interesting how many of these features they promise get into the game and how many are willingly left to the wayside in order to get out something with the "Feel" of City of Heroes. That's ultimately what they're concerned about and that's what the game is going to use as its foundation.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 12:06 PM

I don't consider "evoking" the same as "aping", but then I may simply be taking umbrage at Teuful's negative dismissal.

 

Now, that said, I honestly don't expect much of anything to ever truly materialize from any of the 3 Phoenix Project efforts, and I really haven't since day one. As far as I've been able to discern, very few of the people involved have any experience in the PC gaming industry. The projects are all long on hope, dreams, and talent, and short on expertise, manpower, and capital, and these are the primary reasons why I didn't get directly involved myself.

 

Honestly, our best shot at seeing something like CoX return would come with NCSoft's release of the IP and related properties, and who knows if they'll ever sell it. Their history at this point leans strongly towards "don't hold your breath."


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 08:04 PM

I knew if I looked back far enough I'd find an existing thread.  Will edit thread title in a second.

 

City of Titans proceeds apace, if not yet ready for alpha.  But Missing Worlds Media seeks to actually be a media company beyond just publishing one game (or just games), and we're launching the first step in that with a Patreon-backed superhero webcomic set in the City of Titans universe: HiJinx!

 

I created the character and wrote a few test strips, but I couldn't commit to regular writing, so we found someone who actually does write comics as a professional and hired them to do the writing.  :)

 

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:29 PM

There doesn't seem to be a City of Heroes thread anymore.

 

NCSort MOBA Master X Master adds Statesman.

 

This is a post-CoH Statesman, the Tyrant version having redeemed himself during the Battalion invasion and taking up his old mantle.  I hear there's no American release planned for MXM, but this little bit suggests NCSoft is uninterested in ever releasing the IP to another company.

 

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:03 PM

While I still have a knee jerk negative reaction to all things NCSoft, I have to admit that's a very clever means of "reviving" Statesman.



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:17 AM

Well, the storyline was planned for CoH, NCSoft took it pretty much directly from the Lore Dumps and tacked on "and then he went to MOBA-world".

 

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:41 AM

Man I miss CoX.

 

I want to run the Shooting Stars quest chain again.

 

EDIT: I miss my boys.

 

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