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@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 04:05 PM)

Also, the theoretical new image would be a new compostion, it would just be individual bodies, or even just body parts, that are based on existing references by other creators, with the major caveat that there is more than one example for each reference so it's basically more like "following an established trend" than "copying someone's original creation".

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 04:03 PM)

Well, an homage is usually marked by a signature along the lines of "artist X after artist Y". I wasn't thinking about recreating something particularly memorable, just looking for reference images (just of a pose/perspective/layout) that looks like what I want, then finding more examples that just happen to look very similar, and it cannot be determined which version came "first".

@  ZakuConvoy : (25 June 2019 - 03:09 PM)

What you're describing is more an "homage" than plagiarism, really. I'm assuming you would be using different characters. It's basically like all the comic covers that homage the death of Supergirl cover from Crisis on Infinite Earths...but with different characters. It's not plagiarism, it's a reference. But if several artists have a memorable layout and are all using it, chances are it actually is referencing something memorably original.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:56 PM)

Would that still qualify as plagiarism? After all, it could be argued that what I've recreated isn't that original to begin with since several other people have supposedly had the same general idependently from each other.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:54 PM)

And I were then to create a new image, not traced but maybe "swiped", except I wouldn't copy a specific source image, but merely recreate the basic pose and perspective shared between all of them...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:52 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:49 PM)

And out of sheer coincidence, they all feature very similar ideas, concepts, poses and/or perspectives, supposedly with none of the original creators having copied from one of the others...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:47 PM)

Assuming I were to find not one but two, three, four or even more source images, all of them by different artists, or by different photographers depicting different models...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:45 PM)

Just out of curiosity, a question regarding the concept of plagiarism:

@  Benbot : (25 June 2019 - 08:58 AM)

That game needs a remake

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 08:57 AM)

I am Error.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 June 2019 - 08:17 AM)

There is no error. There is only Zuul.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 07:51 AM)

The unicron singularity fixes all continuity errors.. including Power Rangers related ones now!

@  MEDdMI : (25 June 2019 - 07:06 AM)

I reject your canon and substitute my own

@  unluckiness : (25 June 2019 - 12:32 AM)

Answer: It doesn't matter because even if there was one, it was never relevant in S1 and it got blown up with his original body

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 June 2019 - 10:55 PM)

Most people think Transformers canon is a series of discrete parallel lines, really it's more like a big ball of canony-wanony... stuff.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 June 2019 - 06:31 PM)

Hate to say this, but the simple answer is that you are thinking too hard and realistically, it does not matter.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2019 - 04:57 PM)

Don't tell me what to do.

@  Paladin : (24 June 2019 - 04:16 PM)

don't cross the streams.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 03:03 PM)

Or is this what AVP meant when he said that condradictory streams formed the JG1 timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:25 PM)

I don't like that idea.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:24 PM)

In Ask Vector Prime, it was mentioned that in the Beast Wars 2 universe, Convoys all have Energon Matrices and that when Optimus Primal from the Japanese Beast Wars stream was transported to the Beast Wars 2 stream, his history was subtly altered that he too possessed an Energon Matrix. What does this mean? That Beast Wars 2 is actually not canon to the Japanese Beast Wars?

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 08:54 AM)

yeah, I've got a few others that I need to check out/get removed. The nose one is small but annoying since I hit it every time I blow my nose.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 08:46 AM)

Try to get a histopath examination if it isn't too expensive over there. It's probably just a mole but I'd think certainty would be better.

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 07:59 AM)

@unluckiness I know, plan to get it removed but gotta get an appt first

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

oops... typed that in the wrong field. :)

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

gizmoboy

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 03:18 AM)

That is not a good thing, especially in the long term

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2019 - 10:17 PM)

So who wants to hear about this mole on my nose that I keep scratching open

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Yeah, it's kind of defeating the purpose of making political discussions more restricted if you're just gonna go at it elsewhere on this site.

@  Telly : (23 June 2019 - 07:06 PM)

that would probly fit better in the p & r thread. its there for things just like this

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:29 PM)

The citizens resisted by buying up all the town's beer reserves so the Nazis would have to stay sober the entire time.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Meanwhile, congratulations civil resistance, part 2: So a group of Nazis were holding one of their Good Old Times Reenactment festivals in a small East German town.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:26 PM)

It's basically like an anti-Trump candidate winning Texas.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:25 PM)

The mayoral elections of Istanbul are considered to be a key indicator for the political climate in the entire country.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:24 PM)

This time, it was a landslide victory for the opposition's candidate.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:23 PM)

After president Erdogan had a court revoke the results of the mayoral election of Istanbul after the opposition party's candidate had won by a small margin, the election was repeated today.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Congratulations, democracy part 1: Today is a historic day for Turkey.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 June 2019 - 02:31 PM)

Convert, does he timeout?

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2019 - 09:12 AM)

Did he form the feet and legs or the arms and body?

@  Patch : (22 June 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Nah, he was one of the Lions

@  MEDdMI : (22 June 2019 - 04:45 PM)

Is he a Shellformer

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Supposedly it's about that football player Calvin Johnson.

@  Pennpenn : (22 June 2019 - 07:03 AM)

I'm vaguely confused why there is a Nicki Minaj song in my youtube reccomendations, but even more confused as to why that song (which appears to be from an official account) is called "MEGATRON".

@  Liege : (21 June 2019 - 10:03 PM)

Alpha Q all night long.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 10:44 AM)

Only if you ask nicely, Silv.

@  RichardT1977 : (21 June 2019 - 09:42 AM)

1998 Zilla is the Gaijin era.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 June 2019 - 01:59 AM)

Alpha Q?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 01:16 AM)

Alpha Q, and U, but not U.

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 June 2019 - 08:55 PM)

KISS Players


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:07 AM

I wanna watch it.

 

Though, why is Joe Chill a ninja? :p


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:11 AM

Thanks Naas, you had to come back 2 months later to post that? :rolleyes In case you missed, I was reacting to Skankerzero's post, not the link which I did not check at the time yet.

 

New trailer was interesting. I am a bit surprised how un-Gordon-y Gordon looks like - no moustache or glasses? But I guess he is a young man still. Bullock looks great.

Poison Ivy will be in this too? Riddler is played by Cory Michael Smith, never heard of him but he looks the part.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:25 AM

I'm still torn on the basic premise, mostly for all the 'non-villains' we will apparently be seeing. There is just something a bit off putting seeing all those characters this early in a time line. That said, we are getting Gordon at one of his more interesting time periods, still a young cop before he fully realizes just how bad and corrupt things are in Gotham. Plus, we get more Bullock, I still say he's gonna end up being the best thing about this show.

 

But all that said, I do feel like this has promise based on that trailer, all the stuff with young Bruce is 'right' with Gordon being first on scene and being determined to help. It makes sense that he'd be a reoccurring character even at this age; as I can see Gordon being one to check in on him; even if he has a butler, just to make sure he's doing okay. It could really go a ways to help show just why Batman trusts him so much, not just because he was the 'one good, honest cop' in Gotham, but also because Gordon looked out for him and did all he could to help him all those years ago. There is really a lot of character building potential here.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:29 AM

I am looking forward to seeing how Riddler started, for example. We all know the whole "cheating on the test" origin, but a guy as smart as he probably did try to make something of his life before donning the green suit.

My only worry is if all the costumed crime begins waaaaay before Batman appears. 'cause it's usually the other way around, and for good reasons.

Who is the woman in the red dress? (sorry I don't have audio here where I watched the trailer) - Lady Shiva maybe?

 

And good points, Database. Even the Nolan series showed how much Bruce remembers from that night, and how Gordon comforting him meant a lot to him - and why he choose him as his first ally.

Joes Chill is probably not in this - given how they showed the same "robber" at the Wayne manor, I think there will be a deeper mystery about the deaths of the Waynes - certainly they were in the ways of some powerful people in most continuities.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 03:57 PM

There's a whole lot of Batman in a trailer for a show not about Batman.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:25 PM


I wanna watch it.

 

Though, why is Joe Chill a ninja? :p

 

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:31 PM

Who is the woman in the red dress? (sorry I don't have audio here where I watched the trailer) - Lady Shiva maybe?
 

 

The Fish..or something silly like that...She's the current crime boss of Gotham that Penguin works for.

 

Edit: Fish Mooney according to IMDB.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 09:06 AM

Oh, because penguins eat fish.  I get it.  Yay.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:28 AM

The trailer looks...surprisingly good. Cop Drama meets Superheroics. Seeing the amount of villains on parade is a bit disappointing though. Cobblepot especially feels miscast here. He's a dead ringer for Alberto Falcone.

 

Similarly, with the cop drama aspect they'd be stupid not to borrow heavily from that genre since so many future Bat villains fit that MO. Julian Day, Holiday, Victor Zasz...

 

Three seasons right there, with the GCPD on the trail of these serial killers.

 

All in all, I'm willing to see where this goes.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:31 AM

 
 Cobblepot especially feels miscast here. He's a dead ringer for Alberto Falcone.

 

Ah, so THAT'S it... I was trying to place why exactly Penquin felt off...


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:37 AM

I can get behind Penguin and Riddler being part of the narrative, as they've both struck me as a bit older then Bruce (The Arkham games have even go so far as to give Riddler grey hair), but the guy cast as Cobblepot...eh. I suppose that's the point of an origin story. They aren't supposed to be recognizable as the people they become.

 

I just hope they don't get so enamored with the famous Rogues that they neglect the ones that would work beautifully in this set up. Heck, bring in Salvator Valestra from Mask of the Phantasm and his crew. There's no lack of small time crooks and crime bosses for the GCPD to deal with in addition to the "mundane" Serial Killers that are future Bat-foes.

 

Heck, with this sort of set up you could even get The Mad Hatter to work pretty well.

 

EDIT: I do know I would love this show forever if one of the reoccuring small time street gangs was the Crazy Eights. For those drawing a blank, they were shown in an episode of Batman Beyond as a rival crew to the Jokerz.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:46 AM

I rarely say this based on just a trailer... but this show looks terrible.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 01:54 PM

IN A WORLD... where Batman isn't really needed because the police have been keeping these nut jobs from burning the city down for a couple of decades already....


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 05:09 PM

I rarely say this based on just a trailer... but this show looks terrible.

 

Why so?

 

IN A WORLD... where Batman isn't really needed because the police have been keeping these nut jobs from burning the city down for a couple of decades already....

That is my concern about the premise.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 08:32 PM

The cops don't get a handle on these guys though. That's sort of the point of seeing the villains before they became villains bru-ha-ha. Gotham's spiraling out of control, and these guys are the result of that spiral.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 09:50 PM

For two decades?


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:07 PM

Gotham wasn't always a bad place to live, thats something that most stories comment on a few times. Right now it's not sunk into the completely corrupt hellhole it will be. Right now we're seeing how Gotham ends up to the point it needs someone like Batman. The typical Batman villains are either nobodies or small fish. They're not actually dealing with Penquin, Riddler, or Poison Ivy; they're dealing Oswald Cobblepot who's just getting into organized Crime, they're dealing with seemingly paranoid nerd, they're dealing with woman who's likely just getting involved with eco-terrorism. They're only called by their villain names in the trailer, I'm hoping, becuase that is who the general public knows them as more.

 

Hell, at this point even Zsasz, since he was brought up as a possible character, hasn't yet been pushed over the edge, and is still a normal person. Depending on if they use him and how close they stick to his origins, he doesn't become a serial killer until after the Oswald has become the Penquin and uses his casino to cheat him out of everything he has. That's why we seem to be getting characters like Miss Fish, to be the villains before of Gotham before the town went to hell.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 11:26 PM

For two decades?


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 11:27 PM

Absolutely nothing about this interests me. The whole thing just stinks of DC, yet again, not having any idea what to do with their properties.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:20 AM

Absolutely nothing about this interests me. The whole thing just stinks of DC, yet again, not having any idea what to do with their properties.

And yet, look at what they've created in the awesome that is Arrow.


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