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More Than Meets The Eye #21
Started by Powered Convoy, Sep 25 2013 08:38 AM
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:41 AM
THAT WAS AWESOME!
Just finished reading MTMTE 21. Questions answered and SOOOO AWESOME. Loved it more than I can say.
And with the text story it took me like a half hour to read it all. That is an AMAZING amount of content for a comic.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Minimus surprise! And the Cyclonus smelting pool bit! The Rodimus revelation making so much sense. First Aid's solution. New mysteries. Villians escape. Rodimus MATURING. The stab! Sparing Whirl saved him! Raatchet knew. I bet the "gift" is a symbol.
-ZacWilliam, I think I'm gonna need to read it again. Big smile on my face.
Just finished reading MTMTE 21. Questions answered and SOOOO AWESOME. Loved it more than I can say.
And with the text story it took me like a half hour to read it all. That is an AMAZING amount of content for a comic.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Minimus surprise! And the Cyclonus smelting pool bit! The Rodimus revelation making so much sense. First Aid's solution. New mysteries. Villians escape. Rodimus MATURING. The stab! Sparing Whirl saved him! Raatchet knew. I bet the "gift" is a symbol.
-ZacWilliam, I think I'm gonna need to read it again. Big smile on my face.
Edited by ZacWilliam1, 25 September 2013 - 09:07 AM.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:51 AM
Comixology sure is taking its time putting it online
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:57 AM
QUOTE(-VP- @ Sep 25 2013, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Comixology sure is taking its time putting it online
It went up at 9:00 eastern on all their apps.
-ZacWilliam, that's where I read it an hour ago.
Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
*Visit the one and only Cybertronic Bestiary.
For a mechazoologic tour of the mechanimals of Cybertron.
Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:57 AM
That felt... I'm sorry, but it felt extremely anti-climactic.
This was supposedly the "season finale"... something huge. Game changing. And... pretty much everyone who was in danger makes it out okay. The only two characters that die are bad guys, and one of them has a plot hook in place to return. The only character who leaves the Lost Light is someone who was in the background for most of the story, save for the hostage arc and the end of the Overload one. The fact that NOBODY on the Lost Light died is frustrating, especially since Roberts played up what a huge tear-jerker this would be.
And... yeah, it bothers me that both active Japanese original characters are now dead. I know I derailed the topic last time, so I won't dwell on this beyond what I write here, but... Dai Atlas being killed off, and Star Saber beginning and ending as a zealous freak who doesn't resemble his original characterization at all who ends up offed by a popular US G1 character? It is every single issue I have with JTF characters being used in western TF stories encapsulated into one great big ball of do not want.
The only way I can see Roberts saving face on this is if Star Saber's armor ends up being like Magnus's and repurposed for a Circle of Light member... but considering the fact that they essentially have a new leader in Ultra Magnus, I doubt that'll happen.
Smaller things that bothered me... Lockdown's presence in the arc not amounting to much, and First Aid taking over from Ratchet seemed to be forgotten. But that could be changed in the future. Also, the deal with Whirl seemed really insignificant for something to be featured on a cover.
That said, there are some great moments in the issue. First Aid defeating Pharma. The revelation about Rodimus. What Skids encountered through the portal. First Aid defeating Pharma. But those moments are just that - moments. They're great on their own, but they don't make up for how... anti-climactic the whole feels.
I'm disappointed. And I'll leave it at that, because I'm sure debating it will cause a big bruhaha again, and no one wants that.
This was supposedly the "season finale"... something huge. Game changing. And... pretty much everyone who was in danger makes it out okay. The only two characters that die are bad guys, and one of them has a plot hook in place to return. The only character who leaves the Lost Light is someone who was in the background for most of the story, save for the hostage arc and the end of the Overload one. The fact that NOBODY on the Lost Light died is frustrating, especially since Roberts played up what a huge tear-jerker this would be.
And... yeah, it bothers me that both active Japanese original characters are now dead. I know I derailed the topic last time, so I won't dwell on this beyond what I write here, but... Dai Atlas being killed off, and Star Saber beginning and ending as a zealous freak who doesn't resemble his original characterization at all who ends up offed by a popular US G1 character? It is every single issue I have with JTF characters being used in western TF stories encapsulated into one great big ball of do not want.
The only way I can see Roberts saving face on this is if Star Saber's armor ends up being like Magnus's and repurposed for a Circle of Light member... but considering the fact that they essentially have a new leader in Ultra Magnus, I doubt that'll happen.
Smaller things that bothered me... Lockdown's presence in the arc not amounting to much, and First Aid taking over from Ratchet seemed to be forgotten. But that could be changed in the future. Also, the deal with Whirl seemed really insignificant for something to be featured on a cover.
That said, there are some great moments in the issue. First Aid defeating Pharma. The revelation about Rodimus. What Skids encountered through the portal. First Aid defeating Pharma. But those moments are just that - moments. They're great on their own, but they don't make up for how... anti-climactic the whole feels.
I'm disappointed. And I'll leave it at that, because I'm sure debating it will cause a big bruhaha again, and no one wants that.
Edited by Razorsaw, 25 September 2013 - 08:59 AM.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:01 AM
I think that was WONDERFULLY and appropriately epic.
A ton of surprises and revelations that were just great and truly surprises. The Villians defeated. New mysteries opened up. A bunch of relationships resolved and brought forward and changed.
Honestly that was everything I think the conclusion of the a first season should have been. Ok, it would have been even better if it was double sized, but I'd say that about any issue of MTMTE.
-ZacWilliam, I'm sure Dark Cybertron will be great and all but I really kinda wish we could skip it and get right to "Season 2"
Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
*Visit the one and only Cybertronic Bestiary.
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For a mechazoologic tour of the mechanimals of Cybertron.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:17 AM
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 25 2013, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And... yeah, it bothers me that both active Japanese original characters are now dead. I know I derailed the topic last time, so I won't dwell on this beyond what I write here, but... Dai Atlas being killed off, and Star Saber beginning and ending as a zealous freak who doesn't resemble his original characterization at all who ends up offed by a popular US G1 character? It is every single issue I have with JTF characters being used in western TF stories encapsulated into one great big ball of do not want.
I don't think Star Saber's dead.
He Fzzzts out of existance as Cyclonus screams "NO!", and everyone just assumes he kills him. Looks more like Saber will be back for another go later on or something.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:19 AM
I honestly cannot see why Cyclonus wouldn't have made absolutely sure he was 100 % dead. He's not the type to half ass something like that.
EDIT - there's ambiguity there, but I think it's more due to Roberts' and Milne's collective inability to stage effective action sequences.
EDIT 2 - wait. I see what you're saying now. It looks like he teleports. Nevermind.
EDIT - there's ambiguity there, but I think it's more due to Roberts' and Milne's collective inability to stage effective action sequences.
EDIT 2 - wait. I see what you're saying now. It looks like he teleports. Nevermind.
Edited by Razorsaw, 25 September 2013 - 09:22 AM.
"Disabled people don’t have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.
The need for accommodation isn’t a “special need”. It’s a basic human right. It’s a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."
- Amethyst Schaber, http://neurowonderful.tumblr.com/
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:22 AM
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Sep 25 2013, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I honestly cannot see why Cyclonus wouldn't have made absolutely sure he was 100 % dead. He's not the type to half ass something like that.
EDIT - there's ambiguity there, but I think it's more due to Roberts' and Milne's collective inability to stage effective action sequences.
EDIT - there's ambiguity there, but I think it's more due to Roberts' and Milne's collective inability to stage effective action sequences.
He didn't have a choice. Star Saber used the same teleport that he used to get in there. Saber's still alive somewhere out there. Probably gonna be a recurring bad guy
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:23 AM
Star Saber clearly teleported away is how I read it. Thats Why Cyclonus yelled "NO!" because he was deniged his kill.
-ZacWilliam, also the eye removing facial wound is the kinda thing Villians get when they're gonna come back later for revenge.
Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
*Visit the one and only Cybertronic Bestiary.
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Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:24 AM
Yeah, I edited it when I realized what he meant.
*sighs* The ride goes on, I guess. On one hand, the second JTF character isn't dead. On the other, he's still written in a way that I patently hate.
But yeah, moving on.
*sighs* The ride goes on, I guess. On one hand, the second JTF character isn't dead. On the other, he's still written in a way that I patently hate.
But yeah, moving on.
"Disabled people don’t have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.
The need for accommodation isn’t a “special need”. It’s a basic human right. It’s a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."
- Amethyst Schaber, http://neurowonderful.tumblr.com/
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:01 AM
QUOTE(hupla @ Sep 25 2013, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guilty or Innocent huh.....huh
Yeah, and tentacles on page 16.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:11 AM
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Sep 25 2013, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
THAT WAS AWESOME!
Just finished reading MTMTE 21. Questions answered and SOOOO AWESOME. Loved it more than I can say.
And with the text story it took me like a half hour to read it all. That is an AMAZING amount of content for a comic.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Minimus surprise! And the Cyclonus smelting pool bit! The Rodimus revelation making so much sense. First Aid's solution. New mysteries. Villians escape. Rodimus MATURING. The stab! Sparing Whirl saved him! Raatchet knew. I bet the "gift" is a symbol.
-ZacWilliam, I think I'm gonna need to read it again. Big smile on my face.
Just finished reading MTMTE 21. Questions answered and SOOOO AWESOME. Loved it more than I can say.
And with the text story it took me like a half hour to read it all. That is an AMAZING amount of content for a comic.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Minimus surprise! And the Cyclonus smelting pool bit! The Rodimus revelation making so much sense. First Aid's solution. New mysteries. Villians escape. Rodimus MATURING. The stab! Sparing Whirl saved him! Raatchet knew. I bet the "gift" is a symbol.
-ZacWilliam, I think I'm gonna need to read it again. Big smile on my face.
I actually took the gift to be a horn, myself.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:14 AM
QUOTE(General Tekno @ Sep 25 2013, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Sep 25 2013, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
THAT WAS AWESOME!
Just finished reading MTMTE 21. Questions answered and SOOOO AWESOME. Loved it more than I can say.
And with the text story it took me like a half hour to read it all. That is an AMAZING amount of content for a comic.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Minimus surprise! And the Cyclonus smelting pool bit! The Rodimus revelation making so much sense. First Aid's solution. New mysteries. Villians escape. Rodimus MATURING. The stab! Sparing Whirl saved him! Raatchet knew. I bet the "gift" is a symbol.
-ZacWilliam, I think I'm gonna need to read it again. Big smile on my face.
Just finished reading MTMTE 21. Questions answered and SOOOO AWESOME. Loved it more than I can say.
And with the text story it took me like a half hour to read it all. That is an AMAZING amount of content for a comic.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Minimus surprise! And the Cyclonus smelting pool bit! The Rodimus revelation making so much sense. First Aid's solution. New mysteries. Villians escape. Rodimus MATURING. The stab! Sparing Whirl saved him! Raatchet knew. I bet the "gift" is a symbol.
-ZacWilliam, I think I'm gonna need to read it again. Big smile on my face.
I actually took the gift to be a horn, myself.
Yes, that's likely it. I had dismissed the horn as a "rejuvenating" effect of the spark transfer. But once it was pointed out yeah that does make decent sense.
-ZacWilliam, I think it might have been all the other damage to Cyc being fixed too that threw me off, but maybe in light of the great news he had gotten he just finally felt positive enough to get a fix up.
Edited by ZacWilliam1, 25 September 2013 - 10:14 AM.
Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
*Visit the one and only Cybertronic Bestiary.
For a mechazoologic tour of the mechanimals of Cybertron.
Or the proverbial ailerons of Titanium Moosebots?
*Visit the one and only Cybertronic Bestiary.
For a mechazoologic tour of the mechanimals of Cybertron.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:36 AM
I think the shocker here really IS that Everyone Lives.
Loved it. The usual great thrill ride of shocks, revelations and character moments. I'm enjoying Cyclonus's storyline in particular.
Loved it. The usual great thrill ride of shocks, revelations and character moments. I'm enjoying Cyclonus's storyline in particular.
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Robert is made to withstand plenty of play, and transforms from car to robot! Go, Robert, go!
Why will we solve after Robert grasps the abysmal winter's ulcer? He may change rural tailors, do you join them? The films, tapes, and spoons are all good and fresh.
Robert is made to withstand plenty of play, and transforms from car to robot! Go, Robert, go!
Why will we solve after Robert grasps the abysmal winter's ulcer? He may change rural tailors, do you join them? The films, tapes, and spoons are all good and fresh.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:46 AM
Oh, yes. It very much feels like we can move the focus off some of the mains for the first season now that their arcs are somewhat resolved.
Cyclonus feels like he's gotten closure especially as a character.
Cyclonus feels like he's gotten closure especially as a character.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:51 AM
So many new plotlines hinted at. I love it. Space adventures forever.
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That was then, this is now.
Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:03 AM
I wouldn't say that this was anti-climactic, and I definitely do feel more satisfied with this ending that I did when the Overlord story reached its peak, but I still found it very uneven. There's a LOT of great moments, but they never manage to actually congeal into a complete, focused 22-page story. The prose story doesn't feel like a special bonus this time around, but rather, a clumsy necessity required to explain quite a lot of important things to us because the comic couldn't fit them in. And I think I've lost my patience with the book deliberately attempting to bait my "feels" after not one, not two, but THREE Roberts-style death-fakeouts in one issue.
