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@  unluckiness : (25 June 2019 - 12:32 AM)

Answer: It doesn't matter because even if there was one, it was never relevant in S1 and it got blown up with his original body

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 June 2019 - 10:55 PM)

Most people think Transformers canon is a series of discrete parallel lines, really it's more like a big ball of canony-wanony... stuff.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 June 2019 - 06:31 PM)

Hate to say this, but the simple answer is that you are thinking too hard and realistically, it does not matter.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2019 - 04:57 PM)

Don't tell me what to do.

@  Paladin : (24 June 2019 - 04:16 PM)

don't cross the streams.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 03:03 PM)

Or is this what AVP meant when he said that condradictory streams formed the JG1 timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:25 PM)

I don't like that idea.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:24 PM)

In Ask Vector Prime, it was mentioned that in the Beast Wars 2 universe, Convoys all have Energon Matrices and that when Optimus Primal from the Japanese Beast Wars stream was transported to the Beast Wars 2 stream, his history was subtly altered that he too possessed an Energon Matrix. What does this mean? That Beast Wars 2 is actually not canon to the Japanese Beast Wars?

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 08:54 AM)

yeah, I've got a few others that I need to check out/get removed. The nose one is small but annoying since I hit it every time I blow my nose.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 08:46 AM)

Try to get a histopath examination if it isn't too expensive over there. It's probably just a mole but I'd think certainty would be better.

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 07:59 AM)

@unluckiness I know, plan to get it removed but gotta get an appt first

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

oops... typed that in the wrong field. :)

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

gizmoboy

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 03:18 AM)

That is not a good thing, especially in the long term

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2019 - 10:17 PM)

So who wants to hear about this mole on my nose that I keep scratching open

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Yeah, it's kind of defeating the purpose of making political discussions more restricted if you're just gonna go at it elsewhere on this site.

@  Telly : (23 June 2019 - 07:06 PM)

that would probly fit better in the p & r thread. its there for things just like this

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:29 PM)

The citizens resisted by buying up all the town's beer reserves so the Nazis would have to stay sober the entire time.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Meanwhile, congratulations civil resistance, part 2: So a group of Nazis were holding one of their Good Old Times Reenactment festivals in a small East German town.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:26 PM)

It's basically like an anti-Trump candidate winning Texas.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:25 PM)

The mayoral elections of Istanbul are considered to be a key indicator for the political climate in the entire country.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:24 PM)

This time, it was a landslide victory for the opposition's candidate.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:23 PM)

After president Erdogan had a court revoke the results of the mayoral election of Istanbul after the opposition party's candidate had won by a small margin, the election was repeated today.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Congratulations, democracy part 1: Today is a historic day for Turkey.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 June 2019 - 02:31 PM)

Convert, does he timeout?

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2019 - 09:12 AM)

Did he form the feet and legs or the arms and body?

@  Patch : (22 June 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Nah, he was one of the Lions

@  MEDdMI : (22 June 2019 - 04:45 PM)

Is he a Shellformer

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Supposedly it's about that football player Calvin Johnson.

@  Pennpenn : (22 June 2019 - 07:03 AM)

I'm vaguely confused why there is a Nicki Minaj song in my youtube reccomendations, but even more confused as to why that song (which appears to be from an official account) is called "MEGATRON".

@  Liege : (21 June 2019 - 10:03 PM)

Alpha Q all night long.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 10:44 AM)

Only if you ask nicely, Silv.

@  RichardT1977 : (21 June 2019 - 09:42 AM)

1998 Zilla is the Gaijin era.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 June 2019 - 01:59 AM)

Alpha Q?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 01:16 AM)

Alpha Q, and U, but not U.

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 June 2019 - 08:55 PM)

KISS Players

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2019 - 07:15 PM)

Ultra Q

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2019 - 03:15 PM)

So which series is 90s American Godzilla?

@  Dekafox : (20 June 2019 - 03:12 PM)

So G1 Marvel would be Showa Transformers then

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 June 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Yes.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 June 2019 - 12:05 PM)

Is it weeby of me to refer to the two IDW TF continuities as Heisei and Reiwa? I mean, the switchover almost perfectly lines up with the change of eras...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2019 - 10:35 AM)

I hate when the spicy version of something isn't spicy!

@  Pennpenn : (20 June 2019 - 08:43 AM)

I hate it when the spicy version of something is in almost identical packaging to the non-spicy version. Especially when I don't notice until I've got home.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 June 2019 - 05:44 PM)

They make a lot of pills for that.

@  Nevermore : (19 June 2019 - 05:42 PM)

I got the results of the test back. I definitely have no sense of humor.

@  Paladin : (18 June 2019 - 05:59 PM)

so anyway how is your sex life?

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 June 2019 - 10:50 AM)

These jokes are tearing me apart.

@  unluckiness : (18 June 2019 - 08:55 AM)

Only if the customer reviews give it all high marks.

@  Patch : (18 June 2019 - 04:42 AM)

Are they going to call it "I-Did-Nawtflix?"

@  unluckiness : (18 June 2019 - 12:48 AM)

I see, so what the world needs is a Tommy Wiseau streaming service.


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Harmony Gold takes legal action over SDCC Joe/TF Jetfire


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:11 AM

So, apparently Harmony Gold, distributor of Robotech, is taking some kind of legal action against Hasbro over the SDCC 2013 GI Joe and the Transformers set, since the Jetfire Skystriker redeco is based on the original toy, repurposed from a Macross/Robotech one. Credit to sokutai on TFW for posting this news.

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Here's a comparison of the SDCC toy, the original Jetfire toy, and the deco used (I think, not actually seen it) in Robotech/Macross:



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

They have an uphill battle as the stock Skystriker has been released numerous times without a peep from them.

The "boost engines" are also sculpted noticably different between the two.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:17 AM

Wasn't the Jetfire mold released in those colors under the Transformers toyline and not under Robotech or Macross? I don't see this holding up.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:17 AM

I swear, legal battles are all Harmony Gold does anymore. For like the last 15 years, even.

...And wasn't the Macross deco yellow with the skull and crossbones?

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:19 AM

The actionable part may be the reused G1 stock art on the tech specs, which straight-up the VF-1 mold

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:20 AM

This should be interesting. It seems like an exercise in failure though. The toy was never released like that here, was it?

I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:20 AM

Agreed I don't think they remotely have a case here. Aside from a few paint cues this is not a Valkyrie.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:21 AM

Plus, if they really needed to, I imagine Hasbro could point out that it doesn't turn into a robot, so it's basically just a jet with similar boosters.
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Jul 24 2013, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.


Is that a for-real thing?

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Jul 24 2013, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.

Sane here I'd like to replace my broken Jetfire.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:29 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Jul 24 2013, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cat @ Jul 24 2013, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.


Is that a for-real thing?


Yes, but it's one of those Hasbro Asia exclusives (like that Sixshot reissue and movie Leader Optimus and Brawl, I think), rather than a Platinum Edition.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:31 AM


It's in the Transformer deco.

If ToyCo still existed they would not be able to sue over Prime Shockwave.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jul 24 2013, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The actionable part may be the reused G1 stock art on the tech specs, which straight-up the VF-1 mold


That sounds like a far more reasonable claim.

I wonder, does Harmony Gold simply hope their case holds enough water that Hasbro will decide to settle out of court and throw them some money to make them shut up? Because I can't imagine that actually going ahead with the case is in anyone's best interests: Hasbro doesn't need the PR black eye, and I seriously doubt Harmony Gold can afford as many lawyers as Hasbro can.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Crazy. Harmony Gold has been preventing any Macross series from seeing US release since Macross 7.

I really wish they'd just go away as any good they do is far exceeded by all the bad they do.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:39 AM

It's not whether they have a case or not, its about making a stink and forcing a company to spend money to defend itself. That alone will be enough to keep others from doing similar things because they don't want to/don't have the money to spend on defense. Frivolous or not, defending a lawsuit costs a ton.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:45 AM

I do wonder if they bank on settlements from time to time.
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:49 AM

I hope I don't hear that they won. The Skystalker itself is a modified F-14, just like the Valkyrie. Neither copied the other. And the boosters are very loosely connected with the Macross ones. I don't think you get to copyright everything roughly similar to something you made.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:51 AM

Hasbro would be smart to bring up Classics Jetfire in their defense, to show a precedence that HG has not been vigilant in protecting their own trademark. If Hasbro can show that Classics Jetfire and Jetstriker are equally removed from the Valkyrie and that HG didn't complain about the Classics toy, they have no reason to now.

Yes, this is exactly the same defense third-party makers would use if Hasbro pursued them, which is one of several reasons that Hasbro has resisted acknowledging that they even exist. icon-arcee.gif

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jul 24 2013, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The actionable part may be the reused G1 stock art on the tech specs, which straight-up the VF-1 mold

The suit specifically targets the "toy in a box" and entirely ignores the box itself, so if they had a claim here they aren't making it.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:57 AM

Actually, copyright does have an "everything similar" halo, meant to protect against near-miss knockoffs. But yeah, HG are being copyright trolls anymore.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:59 AM

Reminds me of Stan Lee Media, a company which apparently exists solely to sue people for using things related to Stan Lee...including Stan Lee himself.