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@  fourteenwings : (22 November 2019 - 07:32 AM)

"any employer-initiated termination can be countered with a wrongful termination lawsuit within three weeks" By golly gee I do wonder why employers are so keen to make sure they don't get sued.

@  Nevermore : (22 November 2019 - 07:01 AM)

It's basically the same as someone tricking you into signing a contract you have no need for. Smart employees with balls just respond to such an offer with "You want to terminate me? For what reason exactly?"

@  Nevermore : (22 November 2019 - 07:00 AM)

And on average, a wrongful termination lawsuit, though more of a strain for the employee, will often result in better conditions (worst case: a settlement fee; best case: employment reinstated by the court) than whatever nonsense the employer is putting in the termination agreement.

@  Nevermore : (22 November 2019 - 06:58 AM)

That's obviously complete bull. Under German law, any employer-initiated termination can be countered with a wrongful termination lawsuit within three weeks. A termination agreement... is a binding contract.

@  Nevermore : (22 November 2019 - 06:57 AM)

A very nasty tactic by many German employers: Inviting an employee to a talk out of the blue, suggesting that things don't look good and a termination (for whatever reason) is about to happen, but they're being "nice" and offer the employee a termination agreement to end the working relationship on "good terms".

@  Ashley : (22 November 2019 - 02:12 AM)

what manufacturer is that? I'm trying to find a US source

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 November 2019 - 10:22 PM)


@  Steevy Maximus : (21 November 2019 - 10:22 PM)

I've already found the best toy of 2020: a foot tall, fully articulated (20 points) Alien Queen for a fraction of what Neca or anyone else would charge

@  Telly : (21 November 2019 - 09:46 PM)

no minerva toys until i get my devcon :p

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 November 2019 - 08:28 PM)

Paladin keeps saying this every time they reveal another toy of an early character, including the first Earthrise reveals even though that had Micromasters.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 November 2019 - 03:20 PM)

I'll concede the Titan Masters, but Magnus Prime is an existing mold, Liokaiser is a set of repaints, and Metalhawk is a repaint and prominently featured in IDW.

@  Cyoti : (21 November 2019 - 12:14 PM)

And Ginrai aka "Magnus Prime, Metalhawk, "Liokaiser", etc. The real characters that Warden actually doesn't know about are the late EuroUK characters like the Turbomasters/Predators

@  Sabrblade : (21 November 2019 - 11:06 AM)

Warden and Friends did give us a Lione (Sawback) and a Shuffler

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 November 2019 - 07:26 AM)

Or prominently featured in IDW, or an easy repaint of an existing toy.

@  Paladin : (21 November 2019 - 07:12 AM)

was she in the first 3 seasons of the cartoon? If not then she's on no one's list because they don't think she exists.

@  Cyoti : (20 November 2019 - 11:23 PM)

It's probably stuck on the low priority end of Warden's to-do list.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 November 2019 - 10:45 PM)

Because the only full-body Nightbeat was that Bumblebee with a new head one.

@  Bass X0 : (20 November 2019 - 04:14 PM)

Why has there been no new Minerva toys? I’m surprised at Takara. The Titan Master head doesn’t count.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

On my shelf I have Ginrai donning the Star Convoy armor.

@  Liege : (19 November 2019 - 07:42 AM)

That he is.

@  Benbot : (18 November 2019 - 04:01 PM)

And a good boy

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 09:19 AM)

Hound is at least a very good toy.

@  ThunderWear : (18 November 2019 - 09:11 AM)

Hound is the only other one that even comes close to Chromia in my area, and he ships in two separate waves.

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

This might be how they finally get rid of all the Chromias. I've not seen a shelfwarmer like that in ages.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 08:26 PM)

It's a good deal if you want a full set of Refraktor (and if they have them at your location)

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2019 - 04:43 PM)

Here we can buy two and get one free, but at least two of them are gonna be the same toy, because lol distribution.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 01:01 PM)

In the U.K., it’s more like you but two, you only get one given how expensive they are.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Transformers are Buy 2 Get 1 free at Target this week.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 04:29 AM)

2019 has been one long South Park episode.

@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

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Harmony Gold takes legal action over SDCC Joe/TF Jetfire

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:11 AM

So, apparently Harmony Gold, distributor of Robotech, is taking some kind of legal action against Hasbro over the SDCC 2013 GI Joe and the Transformers set, since the Jetfire Skystriker redeco is based on the original toy, repurposed from a Macross/Robotech one. Credit to sokutai on TFW for posting this news.

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Here's a comparison of the SDCC toy, the original Jetfire toy, and the deco used (I think, not actually seen it) in Robotech/Macross:

Edited by Jalaguy, 24 July 2013 - 08:40 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

They have an uphill battle as the stock Skystriker has been released numerous times without a peep from them.

The "boost engines" are also sculpted noticably different between the two.


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:17 AM

Wasn't the Jetfire mold released in those colors under the Transformers toyline and not under Robotech or Macross? I don't see this holding up.


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:17 AM

I swear, legal battles are all Harmony Gold does anymore. For like the last 15 years, even.

...And wasn't the Macross deco yellow with the skull and crossbones?

Edited by Spark, 24 July 2013 - 08:18 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:19 AM

The actionable part may be the reused G1 stock art on the tech specs, which straight-up the VF-1 mold

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:20 AM

This should be interesting. It seems like an exercise in failure though. The toy was never released like that here, was it?

I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:20 AM

Agreed I don't think they remotely have a case here. Aside from a few paint cues this is not a Valkyrie.


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:21 AM

Plus, if they really needed to, I imagine Hasbro could point out that it doesn't turn into a robot, so it's basically just a jet with similar boosters.
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Jul 24 2013, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.

Is that a for-real thing?

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Jul 24 2013, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.

Sane here I'd like to replace my broken Jetfire.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:29 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Jul 24 2013, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cat @ Jul 24 2013, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it doesn't affect the release of Platinum Classics Jetfire.

Is that a for-real thing?

Yes, but it's one of those Hasbro Asia exclusives (like that Sixshot reissue and movie Leader Optimus and Brawl, I think), rather than a Platinum Edition.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:31 AM

It's in the Transformer deco.

If ToyCo still existed they would not be able to sue over Prime Shockwave.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jul 24 2013, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The actionable part may be the reused G1 stock art on the tech specs, which straight-up the VF-1 mold

That sounds like a far more reasonable claim.

I wonder, does Harmony Gold simply hope their case holds enough water that Hasbro will decide to settle out of court and throw them some money to make them shut up? Because I can't imagine that actually going ahead with the case is in anyone's best interests: Hasbro doesn't need the PR black eye, and I seriously doubt Harmony Gold can afford as many lawyers as Hasbro can.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Crazy. Harmony Gold has been preventing any Macross series from seeing US release since Macross 7.

I really wish they'd just go away as any good they do is far exceeded by all the bad they do.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:39 AM

It's not whether they have a case or not, its about making a stink and forcing a company to spend money to defend itself. That alone will be enough to keep others from doing similar things because they don't want to/don't have the money to spend on defense. Frivolous or not, defending a lawsuit costs a ton.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:45 AM

I do wonder if they bank on settlements from time to time.
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:49 AM

I hope I don't hear that they won. The Skystalker itself is a modified F-14, just like the Valkyrie. Neither copied the other. And the boosters are very loosely connected with the Macross ones. I don't think you get to copyright everything roughly similar to something you made.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:51 AM

Hasbro would be smart to bring up Classics Jetfire in their defense, to show a precedence that HG has not been vigilant in protecting their own trademark. If Hasbro can show that Classics Jetfire and Jetstriker are equally removed from the Valkyrie and that HG didn't complain about the Classics toy, they have no reason to now.

Yes, this is exactly the same defense third-party makers would use if Hasbro pursued them, which is one of several reasons that Hasbro has resisted acknowledging that they even exist. icon-arcee.gif

QUOTE(ShinRa Inc @ Jul 24 2013, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The actionable part may be the reused G1 stock art on the tech specs, which straight-up the VF-1 mold

The suit specifically targets the "toy in a box" and entirely ignores the box itself, so if they had a claim here they aren't making it.

Edited by Lukeblast, 24 July 2013 - 08:54 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:57 AM

Actually, copyright does have an "everything similar" halo, meant to protect against near-miss knockoffs. But yeah, HG are being copyright trolls anymore.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:59 AM

Reminds me of Stan Lee Media, a company which apparently exists solely to sue people for using things related to Stan Lee...including Stan Lee himself.