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@  TheMightyMol... : (07 December 2019 - 06:58 PM)

Then repaint Apeface and Snapdragon as Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron. It's crazy enough to work.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Moral imperative.

@  Nevermore : (07 December 2019 - 05:13 PM)

Wishful thinking, rumor or leak?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

Snapdragon for Earthrise.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

Cue the flashback to Jonathan, reassuring a terrified child: "What you are is never as important as who you are." Cue Superman's response to Brainiac: "I already know who I am."*John Williams fanfare plays*

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

I don't think we even really need to see Krypton. I'd start with Clark growing up in Kansas, thinking he's normal, and follow him through the development of his powers. There've been enough alternate takes on Krypton that it could actually work as a mystery; is this the pre-Crisis utopia, the sterile science world, or the relic of a fallen empire? Brainiac was there, and he tempts Clark with the knowledge of what he really is.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:12 AM)

First, a Krypton film, ending with baby Kal-El being found on Earth.  Then Supe's early career film, establishing his values... and if Jonothan Kent needs to die, it happens because of something like a heart attack while Clark is savnig folks on the other side of the world.  After we know Clark minimizes property damage and never kills, have Zod & Company show up and force him to make tough choices.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Man of Steel seems like someone came up with a Superman trilogy and then the execs said "We've got to catch up to Marvel, make it one film!".  I don't mean that based on the film's actual pacing, but because various story beats make more sense to me if they weren't all squished together.

@  Cybersnark : (03 December 2019 - 07:44 PM)

I've been wanting to write a Superman movie trilogy for years; "Man of Steel" (featuring a Terminator-like Brainiac) was going to be first, with "Last Son of Krypton" (featuring the Eradicator) as the sequel and "Man of Tomorrow" (in which Luthor makes his face-heel turn) as the conclusion. Thanks to Snyder I have to re-arrange my titles.

@  Nevermore : (03 December 2019 - 06:15 PM)

I still wish "Man of Steel" had instead been an adaptation of both the John Byrne miniseries of the same name and the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale miniseries "Superman For All Seasons".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (03 December 2019 - 04:42 PM)

A take I just read: Man of Steel is shot with such a lack of lighting that it is easier to discern what is going on in a porn film.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 December 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Making Soylant is harder then it looks, it's not like the movies, you have to keep whacking and hacking at the ingredient, it'll scream and fight, maybe bite but eventually it will go down.

@  Paladin : (03 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

varies from person to person.

@  Benbot : (03 December 2019 - 11:34 AM)

It's an acquired taste

@  CORVUS : (03 December 2019 - 11:17 AM)

Soylent? Its pretty awful.

@  unluckiness : (03 December 2019 - 02:49 AM)

Depends on your denomination of Christianity

@  Patch : (02 December 2019 - 05:52 PM)

@Benbot Do they have a soy-free version? Like maybe just "Lent?"

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 02:03 PM)

Just occurred to me 'Autobot' Megatron happened in Target 2006.

@  Benbot : (02 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

have you tried Soylent? It's pretty good! https://soylent.com/

@  Paladin : (02 December 2019 - 10:01 AM)

i prefer free-range human usually. pain in the ass to hunt though...

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 December 2019 - 09:42 AM)

If your human is all bones, you may have purchased a skeleton by accident. Contact your grocer to inquire about exhange policies.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 09:31 AM)

Vegans are categorised as human therefore just fall under Soylant, they are usually all bones.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Cause... that latter one is technically all burgers anyway.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:46 PM)

So... a burger made without meat, or a burger made with the meat taken from a vegan?

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 December 2019 - 04:22 PM)

I had a vegan burger last week, this week I'll give a vegan steak a shot.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

a proper paradox would have broken the board. Nice try though.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 November 2019 - 01:47 AM)

This shout is empty.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 November 2019 - 12:01 AM)

I've got the admit. tubi tv is great. It's got a lot of stuff.. Including Super Sentai.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There is frankly no better place to (legally) find schlock on the internet for free than Tubi TV

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:33 PM)

It's got all the graphic violence and gratuitous nudity a late 80s OVA should have.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

Available for free with ads on Tubi TV.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

It's "Goku: Midnight Eye". Originally produced in the late 80s, it apparently wasn't dubbed until the late 90s given Steve Blum was the lead.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 06:38 PM)

The description makes it sound like some high grade, mid 80's shlock. Which, frankly, is my groove.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Was wondering how long it would take someone to ask.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 09:58 AM)

okay, it's been like two days so far: what anime is this, cause I'm dying to know.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 November 2019 - 09:23 PM)

You know you're in for a good time when an old anime starts with a crime lord uses roller skates in his cybernetic legs to skate down the side of the building, launches to a dock and into a getaway boat.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (26 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Hey Everyone I'm Making The TF Roll Out Short "Gotta Go Fast!"

@  Benbot : (26 November 2019 - 12:52 PM)

That's what I was hoping for. But here I am, at work the following day.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

You say "die in bed" and I'm thinking "why is that a problem?".

@  fourteenwings : (26 November 2019 - 07:06 AM)

If you don't get out of bed ever your muscles will lock in super-uncomfortable ways and you may get blood clots

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:53 PM)

You did nothing, and so rocks fall down and you die.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 08:35 PM)

But that's not you doing something, that's something being done to you.

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:28 PM)

Unless a meteor crashes down on your bed while you're in it.


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#21 Quantumhawk

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:32 PM

Man of Steel was just like Star Trek Into Darkness. Didn't get everything from the source material right, pissed off some of the fanboys, but it was a darn sight more enjoyable that most or all of the previous attempts to tell a story with these characters on the big screen. At the end of the day if your movie is a slave to your source material but ends up boring as heck, what good did it do anyone to get the details right?

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#22 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE(Quantumhawk @ Jul 20 2013, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man of Steel was just like Star Trek Into Darkness. Didn't get everything from the source material right, pissed off some of the fanboys, but it was a darn sight more enjoyable that most or all of the previous attempts to tell a story with these characters on the big screen. At the end of the day if your movie is a slave to your source material but ends up boring as heck, what good did it do anyone to get the details right?


What good is it to make a sparkly, shiny, pretty action adventure if you lose the entire heart and soul that made everyone love the source material in the first place?

ZacWilliam, you can capture the soul of a property people love without being boring and you can be fun and exciting without being hollow and untrue to the source. Look at Avengers for a film that did it right.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

Warning for language and some Man of Steel SPOILERS



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jul 20 2013, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ZacWilliam, you can capture the soul of a property people love without being boring and you can be fun and exciting without being hollow and untrue to the source. Look at Avengers for a film that did it right.


I'm sorry, but I don't think it's appropriate to compare Man of Steel or Into Darkness to Avengers. Avengers was the culmination of five movies - the sixth of the franchise. Stand alones like Man of Steel or even sequels like Into Darkness don't have that legacy behind it. If you want to be fair to the franchises, the appropriate comparisons would be Avengers vs Superman Returns or Star Trek VI.

And while Superman Returns is left bleeding at the bottom of some Kryptonite spawned mineshaft, I'd say Star Trek VI is about equal with Avengers in terms of entertainment value.

In my opinion.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:46 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry, but I don't think it's appropriate to compare Man of Steel or Into Darkness to Avengers. Avengers was the culmination of five movies - the sixth of the franchise. Stand alones like Man of Steel or even sequels like Into Darkness don't have that legacy behind it. If you want to be fair to the franchises, the appropriate comparisons would be Avengers vs Superman Returns or Star Trek VI.


Well, the appropriate comparison for his point would probably be MOS/Star Trek vs Iron Man.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jul 20 2013, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the appropriate comparison for his point would probably be MOS/Star Trek vs Iron Man.


Of which I'd say all three rank fairly evenly between each other.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jul 20 2013, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the appropriate comparison for his point would probably be MOS/Star Trek vs Iron Man.


Of which I'd say all three rank fairly evenly between each other.


Not in relation to trueness to the heart and soul of their source material. Which is what we were specifically talking about.

Iron Man IS the embodiment of that character and property heart and soul.

Even folks who like Darkness and MoS can't really honestly say that.


-ZacWilliam, that's the issue at hand.
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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:12 PM

Neither the last Superman or Batman movies were any good, so I'm not really that excited.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jul 21 2013, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jul 20 2013, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the appropriate comparison for his point would probably be MOS/Star Trek vs Iron Man.


Of which I'd say all three rank fairly evenly between each other.


Not in relation to trueness to the heart and soul of their source material. Which is what we were specifically talking about.

Iron Man IS the embodiment of that character and property heart and soul.

Even folks who like Darkness and MoS can't really honestly say that.


-ZacWilliam, that's the issue at hand.


Who the hug cares about source material.

Who the hug cares if they don't capture what people think is the heart and soul of the character.

The original Swerve, for example, was some boring guy who studied chemical compostion and was a terrible driver. The new one is a annoying, but lovable bartender who's a terrible shot. Does that mean the original is better?

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#30 Detour

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jul 21 2013, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not in relation to trueness to the heart and soul of their source material. Which is what we were specifically talking about.

Iron Man IS the embodiment of that character and property heart and soul.

Even folks who like Darkness and MoS can't really honestly say that.


-ZacWilliam, that's the issue at hand.

And what's depressing is that I've seen people applaud Man of Steel for "not being a goddamn kiddie movie like what Marvel's been doing". Eeeeeeeegads.

QUOTE(Spectre @ Jul 21 2013, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neither the last Superman or Batman movies were any good, so I'm not really that excited.

Sadly, I'm in agreement.

QUOTE(Escargon @ Jul 21 2013, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who the hug cares about source material.

Who the hug cares if they don't capture what people think is the heart and soul of the character.

The original Swerve, for example, was some boring guy who studied chemical compostion and was a terrible driver. The new one is a annoying, but lovable bartender who's a terrible shot. Does that mean the original is better?

Things gotta evolve, man.

There's a difference between "staying true to the heart and soul of a character", "deviating from the heart and soul of the character" and "actually giving heart and soul to the character", the latter of which is what happened to Swerve. The dude never got used before. He had a tiny filecard and otherwise he did spit-all. Not to mention that he was just a toy that was meant to be sold to kids.

Evolving does not mean "leaving everything behind", it doesn't mean "dispose of the heart and soul". Or would you say Batman ruthlessly killing criminals in Batman Returns was the right "evolution" for the character?

Edited by Detour, 20 July 2013 - 11:23 PM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jul 20 2013, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jul 20 2013, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the appropriate comparison for his point would probably be MOS/Star Trek vs Iron Man.


Of which I'd say all three rank fairly evenly between each other.


Not in relation to trueness to the heart and soul of their source material. Which is what we were specifically talking about.

Iron Man IS the embodiment of that character and property heart and soul.

Even folks who like Darkness and MoS can't really honestly say that.


-ZacWilliam, that's the issue at hand.


I've not yet seen Man of Steel, but in regards to the new Star Trek...having grown up on VHS copies of TOS I can say the new movies are very much indeed in keeping with the character and property heart and soul.

I'll never understand why people want to go back to the days of Voyager and Enterprise, when the franchise really was a soulless abomination.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 07:19 AM

Nerds are hugging jaded...
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No.

God...No.

Not Miller. Use anyone but Miller. Not the inane Batman/Superman Rivalry that turns Superman into a naive boyscout working for the wrong side because he won't come down to the level of the common man.

I was worrying about the same things when I read the announcement. Fortunately as Cheets said, its more of a starting-point as opposed to an adaptation.

QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't suffer a big screen adaptation of "Batman is the best at everything, Superman is a loser".

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Jul 21 2013, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 20 2013, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jul 20 2013, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the appropriate comparison for his point would probably be MOS/Star Trek vs Iron Man.


Of which I'd say all three rank fairly evenly between each other.


Not in relation to trueness to the heart and soul of their source material. Which is what we were specifically talking about.

Iron Man IS the embodiment of that character and property heart and soul.

Even folks who like Darkness and MoS can't really honestly say that.


-ZacWilliam, that's the issue at hand.


I feel I can say this about Man of Steel perfectly fine, thank you.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE(Rust @ Jul 21 2013, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've not yet seen Man of Steel, but in regards to the new Star Trek...having grown up on VHS copies of TOS I can say the new movies are very much indeed in keeping with the character and property heart and soul.

I'll never understand why people want to go back to the days of Voyager and Enterprise, when the franchise really was a soulless abomination.

I haven't seen Into Darkness but my issue with the first Trek is that it was more spectacle-driven than character-driven. It felt like it had the heart and soul of a Star Wars movie rather than that of a Star Trek movie, or a good Star Trek movie at least. Sure the characters got a lot of the mannerisms of the old actors down (Karl Urban as McCoy especially) but nothing ever felt character-driven... it was more "character does this because we need him to do this to get to that next plot point".

This is actually why I'm interested in seeing Abrams tackle Star Wars. He's already sorta doing it in my eyes. icon-arcee.gif

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Jul 21 2013, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nerds are hugging jaded...

Well what did you expect a jaded movie like Man Of Steel to leave us feeling???

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:57 AM

How soon people forget the modern Batman is the result of Miller's writing. I'm not saying to praise the man and all his works but try not to jump to conclusions when they say they want to lift a bit from what he did.
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE(CORVUS @ Jul 21 2013, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was worrying about the same things when I read the announcement. Fortunately as Cheets said, its more of a starting-point as opposed to an adaptation.


The problem as I see it (Which is just paranoia at this stage) is even using Miller's work as a starting point, you open the door to have Miller's biases taint the adaptation, regardless of its ending point.

Give me World's Finest, not The Dark Knight Returns.

Edited by Rust, 21 July 2013 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

Ugh. I don't feel like debating this. These comic movie threads have been so damn negative lately and I just want to bask in the excitement of such potential awesome instead of dwelling in the pits of sadness and despair... over a comic book movie.
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

Wholeheartedly agreed Rust.

And Cheets, you know that these things are polarizing. They are always polarizing.

Edited by CORVUS, 21 July 2013 - 12:04 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

I'm sorry, but... I hate it when people say "you can't say..." or "you have to admit..." about something so nebulous as the so-called "spirit" of something.

What the heck is that, anyway? "Spirit" and "magic" sound more like words people throw around to keep their preferences as something ethereal and unquantifiable so they don't have to actually justify or debate it for real.

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