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@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:12 PM)

This place is a madhouse, feels like being cloned.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 January 2020 - 03:38 PM)

I took one step beyond the outer limits to the twilight zone.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 10:19 AM)

All retail is basically the same.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2020 - 10:00 AM)

Walmart just needs to go bankrupt already.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:19 AM)

They didn't put the 35th anniversary stuff back out until after new year. I'm no retail expert, but I feel like having stock on the shelf is better than the back. Especially toys at christmas time.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Yeah, my local walmart took away the 35th anniversary endcap weeks before Christmas and left the Transformer section empty well past Christmas.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Mine only has the 35th Anniversary Voyagers. A whole lot of them.

@  Telly : (19 January 2020 - 11:35 PM)

just be happy your walmart even stocks voyagers. mine doesnt

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 January 2020 - 08:53 PM)

Figures that Walmart finally restocks Studio Voyagers...with Wave ONE

@  ThunderWear : (19 January 2020 - 09:27 AM)

I snagged Rainmakers for half off.  They make me want jolly ranchers.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 04:21 PM)

I was using my account on another comptuer, and oddly it seemed to default to $US rather than converting it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 January 2020 - 02:02 PM)

You should be able to set eBay to display in your local currency, although personally I like to know the actual currency the item is listed in so I know if I need to account for forex fees or not

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 06:34 AM)

I'd also like to take the opportunity to say I despise Ebay for showing the list prices in US money.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 06:23 AM)

Well there is an overpriced limited edition, but I don't want to pay that much money for it.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 06:21 AM)

Well great. The one Usagi Yojimbo volume I don't have and it's out of stock.

@  Rycochet : (17 January 2020 - 06:15 PM)

I both love and hate that the Alien franchise seems to have had more luck finding a niche as a line of children's toys than it has at producing worthwhile films.

@  Donocropolis : (17 January 2020 - 06:35 AM)

I've seen them on the shelves at Walmart. They're pretty great looking retro Aliens toys. https://www.walmart....-Vary/934039489

@  fourteenwings : (17 January 2020 - 01:11 AM)

IIRC somebody on here mentioned an unbranded Alien toy a couple of weeks ago? It seems like it was actually part of a collection for the Alien movie series by Lanard. Mattel's making some stuff too.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 January 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Is it really a worse name than say, HMS Spanker?

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 January 2020 - 02:36 PM)

'Boaty McBoatface' was a actual thing?! Wow.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2020 - 02:00 PM)

Might be worth bringing back this thread.

@  ThunderWear : (14 January 2020 - 01:53 PM)

Of course I had the idea to download all the pdfs like a week too late. Anyone got an archive?

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 January 2020 - 12:48 PM)

The Collector Club is dead. Seems like it all came down shortly after New Year

@  ThunderWear : (13 January 2020 - 11:06 PM)

I can't get to the collector club website. anyone else? I was literally going to download all the fiction to finish reading.

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 January 2020 - 04:50 AM)

News today is all 'there's a CHANCE it would snow in July' and 'dogs COULD bite back'.

@  Benbot : (12 January 2020 - 10:05 PM)

Holy crap, do many people get hurt by them?

@  wonko the sane? : (12 January 2020 - 02:11 PM)

Even in fallout, they never carpet bombed with nukes.

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 January 2020 - 12:43 PM)

I hope the stockpiled nuclear weapons of the US and Russia are accounted for then.

@  Nevermore : (12 January 2020 - 12:22 PM)

Geez. 1760 (!) bombs from World War II that had not detonated and were still armed have been found. That's only the numbers for the federal state of Germany I live in, and only for the first three quarters of 2019. For all of 2018, the total number was 2811 (!!) bombs.

@  CVReynolds : (11 January 2020 - 11:05 PM)

I've been wanting a Tarantulas that turns into a more realistic tarantula for a long time. Maybe Takara will someday do a Masterpiece, which would be neat. But I really want to see a modernized look like in the IDW comics.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 January 2020 - 09:43 PM)

We need more Waspinators.. and rattraps.

@  Ashley : (11 January 2020 - 07:09 PM)

I'm on board with that

@  Dekafox : (11 January 2020 - 06:17 PM)

What I'm hearing is we need Cyberverse Waspinator

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 January 2020 - 01:27 AM)

He's appeared across more branding changes than Waspinator, so maybe it's more the other way around.

@  Ashley : (10 January 2020 - 12:01 AM)

is C3PO the Waspinator of Star Wars? he'll live forever, because it's funny for him to suffer

@  Sabrblade : (09 January 2020 - 11:52 PM)

He's still waiting for them to be funny.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 January 2020 - 10:35 PM)

Why?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 January 2020 - 04:02 PM)

I've been watching South Park, Family Guy and The Simpsons with a straight face for a decade now.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 January 2020 - 03:18 PM)

If that's what it takes to get you to take the medication, sure.

@  Bass X0 : (09 January 2020 - 01:52 PM)

If I go crazy, will you still call me Superman?

@  fourteenwings : (09 January 2020 - 11:37 AM)

I mean, it is easier to protect HDDs, and you can retransfer the data over and over forever?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (09 January 2020 - 10:45 AM)

Not in this comparison. He's making his own files, so they're (presumably) not restricted by DRM, so he can copy them as many times as he wants. It's potentially more reliable in the long term than hoping the specific copies you originally bought never accrue any damage for the rest of your life.

@  Echowarrior : (09 January 2020 - 10:44 AM)

I prefer physical copies too. Easier to protect something physical and tangible.

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 January 2020 - 09:55 AM)

I prefer having physical copies.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 January 2020 - 08:56 AM)

I have plenty of physical media I turn into digital media for my plex server. Just finished ripping Ultra Seven

@  fourteenwings : (09 January 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Isn't the general consensus that we're supposed to be over physical media anyways?

@  Paladin : (09 January 2020 - 08:17 AM)

i still don't own a Blu-Ray player.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 January 2020 - 07:35 AM)

My current TV works just fine. I don't see a need to upgrade. And by the time I do, the Next Big Thing will probably be out anyway.

@  Benbot : (09 January 2020 - 03:58 AM)

Me neither. I'm no rebel, though. I'm just poor.

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 January 2020 - 03:38 AM)

I haven't gone 4K yet, I'm a rebel.


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#2261 PiratedTVPro

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 01:40 PM

Btw anyone watched The Ultimate Cut yet? coz i have, it certainly improves the film somewhat, it fleshes some things out that was wrong with the standard version, some of the fight scenes are longer and more brutal(being R rated).

So i'd deffo recommend this version! & forget the standard one(or at least try to).

 

It's definitely a better cut of the movie. 100%. It makes the film flow better and gives much needed character beats for almost everyone - especially Lex (although there are still major issues there) - while giving an easier to follow through-line to the film. It still doesn't solve the problems I had with the script and the tone of the film from the get go. I especially dislike the brutality of Batman and this script just adds to that. That said, there wouldn't have been nearly the critical outcry if this was the movie released in theaters. I'd recommend anyone watch the "Ultimate Cut" over the theatrical version.


Edited by PiratedTVPro, 29 June 2016 - 01:43 PM.

Yep.

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 05:11 PM

I just watched it. It's much better.

 

If your main issue with it was the overall tone, this is not going to win you over. If your main issue with it was its structural weirdness/things just not making basic sense, this might turn you around.

 

I fall into the latter category and feel a lot less wary about calling it a movie I like now.



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Posted 29 June 2016 - 05:48 PM

I'll have to wait for the disc. $20 for a download is a little too much for me.

 

It's a shame the ultimate cut couldn't have been released in 3-D.  Japan seems to be the only country where the UHD release includes a 3-D disc (theatrical-only, though).  Since the ultimate cut is sounding like the definitive cut of the movie, I guess I'll forget about the theatrical and just get the UHD release.  For the future, I hope companies start going with UHD+3D+BD combo packs, though.



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Posted 02 July 2016 - 12:06 AM

Just watched the Ultimate Edition, having skipped the movie prior to tonight.

I feel like I understood everyone's motivations throughout, except Lex. I have no idea why he came up with this whole plan, and "he's crazy" seems like a pretty lame explanation.

Also, Doomsday felt silly and out of place in such an otherwise over serious and dark movie, and the Martha thing was as bad as I'd heard. Plus, it had about three dream sequences too many. But I didn't get the sense that it was disjointed (well, aside from the villain's motivations being totally unclear), which is what so many people said about the theatrical cut, so I imagine this version is about as good as it gets.

Which still wasn't great.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 12:37 AM

As far as Lex's motivations go, I subscribe to the theory that an outside force (almost certainly Darkseid) was manipulating both him and Batman pretty much from the start to take Superman off the board. Batman's Mad Max nightmare doesn't really make any sort of sense unless he's being directly manipulated; he has no independent reason to dream of Parademons and Omega symbols burned into the earth. So Darkseid is subconsciously ramping up his (somewhat valid) fear of Superman, and ramping up Lex's (less valid) Napoleon complex and daddy issues so he can get rid of the only credible threat to him on Earth. That's how I read it, anyway.

 

Releasing the three hour cut theatrically was probably a non-starter with WB, but I think it would have gotten far less shit from critics if they'd released this version instead and probably would have made a bit more money. It's just a much more coherent movie.



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Posted 02 July 2016 - 10:51 AM

If Darkseid needed Lex to create Doomsday to get rid of Superman because he (Darkseid) feared Superman would be too powerful an obstacle to deal with in his (Darkseid's) conquest of Earth, then what was Darkseid gonna do about Doomsday had Doomsday succeeded in killing Superman but wasn't killed himself? If Darkseid needed Lex to create a living superweapon more powerful than Superman, then how would Darkseid deal with said superweapon if it were more powerful than the guy Darkseid needed dealt with before his coming to Earth? If Superman was too much for Darkseid, then wouldn't Doomsday be even more of a hassle for Darkseid?


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Posted 02 July 2016 - 11:15 AM

Maybe he assumed that Luthor would have went with something simpler like Kryptonite weapons rather than doing something so insane.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 01:34 PM

If Darkseid needed Lex to create Doomsday to get rid of Superman because he (Darkseid) feared Superman would be too powerful an obstacle to deal with in his (Darkseid's) conquest of Earth, then what was Darkseid gonna do about Doomsday had Doomsday succeeded in killing Superman but wasn't killed himself? If Darkseid needed Lex to create a living superweapon more powerful than Superman, then how would Darkseid deal with said superweapon if it were more powerful than the guy Darkseid needed dealt with before his coming to Earth? If Superman was too much for Darkseid, then wouldn't Doomsday be even more of a hassle for Darkseid?

 

I think the entire movie played out the way Darkseid wanted, basically.



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Posted 03 July 2016 - 06:39 AM

The Ultimate Cut "not changing anyone's mind" is a pretty true assessment of it. It's a better-made version of the film, fleshed in around the edges with small moments (and at least one sub-plot that's really not necessary) that spell out some characters' action choices a little better and also makes Lois not Completely Useless, with fewer logic errors than the theatrical cut. Anyone looking to watch it should get this version of it. But it's still a dour, mean-spirited film with the subtlety of diarrhea in an elevator, its first two acts little more than a montage that leaps from character to character, utterly uninterested in actually exploring or resolving any of the moral questions it raises, and burdened to breaking point with forced set-up for future films. 


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 09:00 AM

Someone made a video counting the number of people killed by Batman in this movie. 

 


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 01:16 PM

I liked how the dream sequence kills were swiftly de-counted when it was made clear to be a dream.


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 01:54 PM

All the movie Batmans (Batmen?) have killed guys. It has never much bothered me.

 

If Batman were to casually kill innocent people or even bad guys who were incapacitated, that would bother me. But Russian mercenaries who are about to burn Superman's mom alive? Nah, hug them.



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 02:27 PM

Yes, Batman's always killed people in his movie outings. I think the main beef people have with this portrayal is they aren't hiding it like in previous films.

 

Batman blowing up Joker's factory? There was a delay between the grenade and the explosion, suggesting that maybe people had time to evacuate. Batman shoving dynamite down a guy's pants and throwing him into the sewer? A delay long enough that the guy could have possibly fished it out and thrown it away. Letting Ra's crash? No body found. Tackling Harvey off a building? Heck, even I argued at the time whether or not Dent was actually dead considering.

 

Kinda hard to do that rationalizing here.



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 03:26 PM

My rational is this is Dark Knight Returns Batman.

 

He has simply had enough and doesn't hold back anymore.


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 03:31 PM

I have zero problem with Batman killing people because I was never attached that aspect of the character. 

 

I am actually marginally excited to give this movie a watch now. 



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 03:45 PM

My rational is this is Dark Knight Returns Batman.

 

He has simply had enough and doesn't hold back anymore.

 

But he's not like TDKR Batman either. At least, non superficially.


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 06:02 PM

This video was also made as part of a larger series that counts the kills of characters from various movies - https://www.youtube....EBSmyyt4bSlMgQD

 

Other characters' kill counts in this series include all film versions of Batman (pre-Affleck), all film versions of Superman, Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Captain America, Iron Man, and Wolverine.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 07:27 PM

Yes, Batman's always killed people in his movie outings. I think the main beef people have with this portrayal is they aren't hiding it like in previous films.

 

Batman blowing up Joker's factory? There was a delay between the grenade and the explosion, suggesting that maybe people had time to evacuate. Batman shoving dynamite down a guy's pants and throwing him into the sewer? A delay long enough that the guy could have possibly fished it out and thrown it away. Letting Ra's crash? No body found. Tackling Harvey off a building? Heck, even I argued at the time whether or not Dent was actually dead considering.

 

Kinda hard to do that rationalizing here.

 

He killed all those people. You can try to rationalize it away, but it was clearly implied that they all died. Batman sticking the dynamite down that guy's pants and then SMILING at him as he falls to his death is way, way more sadistic than anything Batman does in BvS.

 

He also pretty clearly killed Talia and her driver at the end of The Dark Knight Rises. He shot the driver with what certainly looked like a machine gun mounted on The Bat and nobody seemed all that bothered. He killed the driver of the dump truck in The Dark Knight; there's no plausible way a human could have survived that impact. He even killed the Joker's dogs!

 

And I'm fine with all of that! Virtually all of them were deaths Batman orchestrated to save innocent people and/or defend himself. I have no problem with that.



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 07:42 PM

Personally, Batman not killing has never been purely about the morality of it. It's about Batman's personal issues, it's about the fact that his origin begins in death, it's about the fact that he desperately wants to avoid becoming like the man who essentially created him.

 

Having him kill a bunch is, frankly, taking the easy way out and avoids a huge part of the character's themes and pathos.

 

And all those other movies doing it doesn't make it okay here, either. I didn't like when they did it either.


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 08:21 PM

Out of universe, the main reason is that if he kills random thugs without a second thought, the fact he doesn't kill the recurring named villains (including the worst serial killer in history) kind of stands out as nonsensical.





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