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[Cheetimus Primal]

SURPRISE! Fox is making a quick and dirty Super hero movie, releasing it two weeks before Avengers 2 to ride the wave of enthusiasm and probably selling it back to Marvel after that since they have NO IDEA what to do with this thing.

[MrBlud]

Getting The Fantastic Four (and more importantly Doom and Galactus) back to Marvel would be about the only thing that would make that wretched synopsis palatable.

[Shadewing]

I don't know why they wanted to keep the license. Neither of their Previous FF movies did really well. Fantastic Four is really one of the worst properties to try and adapt, because they're not like the X-Men or Avengers, they tend to be less super-heroes and more 'explorers of the fantastic' that sometimes get side tracked by super-villains. FF tends to have a lot more "down time" due to that and being a family of heroes, then other properties and that's not easy to get across in a movie. Yes, 'The Incredibles' did it and they really are just a re-imagined fantastic four, but I don't think the same could fly for a live action movie just because people seem to have different expectations with them. I'm sure Marvel Studios could make them work, because they've yet to really fail at it. It'd work better as a TV series really, where you have much more time and room to really explore their dynamics and build up to their more epic moments, spacing things out with Reed's explorations and such.

[Undead Scottsman]

I don't know why they wanted to keep the license. Neither of their Previous FF movies did really well. Fantastic Four is really one of the worst properties to try and adapt, because they're not like the X-Men or Avengers, they tend to be less super-heroes and more 'explorers of the fantastic' that sometimes get side tracked by super-villains. FF tends to have a lot more "down time" due to that and being a family of heroes, then other properties and that's not easy to get across in a movie. Yes, 'The Incredibles' did it and they really are just a re-imagined fantastic four, but I don't think the same could fly for a live action movie just because people seem to have different expectations with them. I'm sure Marvel Studios could make them work, because they've yet to really fail at it. It'd work better as a TV series really, where you have much more time and room to really explore their dynamics and build up to their more epic moments, spacing things out with Reed's explorations and such.

 

Three reasons, really.

 

1. The original FF movies didn't actually do that bad.

 

Fantastic Four

Budget: $100 million

Domestic: $154.7 million

Foreign: $175.9 million

 

Fantastic Four: Rise of the SIlver Surfer

Budget: $130 million

Domestic: $131.9 million

Foreign: $157.1 million

 

This was in a pre-Dark Knight, pre-Iron Man era too.  They weren't runaway successes, but they weren't amazing flops either.  They're sitting happily at mediocre.

 

2. Times have changed.  This is a post-Avengers world. 

-Super-hero movies are more popular than ever. (Even a divisive movie like Man of Steel made out pretty well for itself.)

-Team movies are potential money

-Shared Universes are potential money (FF + X-men)

 

3. Fantastic Four is worth more to Marvel (due to potential enrichment of the MCU) than it is to Fox, so letting the rights just expire and go back to Marvel for free is leaving money on the table.  More profitable to crap out an average movie every 7 years and rake in the mediocre profit on that while waiting for Marvel (or rather, Disney) to finally fork over the ridiculous amount of money Fox would sell it back to them for.  Disney, being a very "frugal" company, to put it politely, probably isn't going to pay anytime soon because even with just their Marvel Studio, they have a super full plate. (I think Kevin Fiege said they have 6-7 movies they want to do in Phase 3, and only room for 4-5.)

[Zillatron]

While Reed "becoming" a scientific genius may be stretching things a bit (no pun intended), it's not without precedent in the comics. It's been stated several times that Reed's super-intelligence is, in part, an effect of his stretching powers in that he can "stretch" his brain.

[Paladin]

would FOX really let Fantastic Four go? All they've got left aside from that is X-Men (i think) and that's not holding up too well either...

[Cat]

Why are they so intent on taking Roger Corman's title of 'Worst Fantastic Four Movie Ever'?

 

[Eneon]

I really hope Marvel gets the rights back at some point.

A shared Marvel Universe where the FF and X-men, and their supporting casts, don't exist seems weird to me.

 

And I think I'm fine with race swaps in most cases(Thor would be odd) as long as they're not just made to fit Hollywood stereotypes.

[Cat]

 

 Times have changed.  This is a post-Avengers world. 
 

 

I love how you can just read this bit on its own, and it sounds like the Avengers really exist.

[PiratedTVPro]

I honestly just want them to translate the first two arcs of Ultimate Fantastic Four.

[Cheetimus Primal]

I'd be more than ok with not having an origin story.

[Detour]

They should do the origin story in "news bytes" format and just kick off the story after that.

[Cheetimus Primal]

No, that's half assed story telling.

[Chris McFeely]

Everything about that synopsis makes me want to cry. It sounds like the most outright unfaithful, unrelated, ground-up-rebuild, complete-discarding-of-everything-that-works take on ANY superhero movie in the last decade and a half. I am filled with genuine dread.

[Undead Scottsman]

No, that's half assed story telling.

Really? I thought it was done exceptionally well in The Incredible Hulk. I'd honestly want to see that a lot more than "retold origin story #77."

[Cheetimus Primal]

We see it all the time. It's a hack move. Use clever dialogue and nifty flashbacks. News bytes are no better than an opening scroll in the beginning. No, Star Wars isn't sacrosanct

[Cat]

I thought the least faithful Fantastic Four media project would always be 'The Thing' cartoon from the 70's, the one where the kid has a magic ring that turns him into the Thing when he says 'Thing ring, do your thing'.

Kudos to Fox for taking over that top spot.

Edited by Cat, 24 January 2014 - 03:09 PM.

[Detour]

No, that's half assed story telling.

Not if you use it to the film's advantage.

 

 

One of the things that set the Fantastic Four apart back in the day was that they didn't have secret identities. They were very public figures. Celebrities, even.

Using a "news bytes recap" format not only helps you catch up with the story, it also helps establish their media presence.

[PiratedTVPro]

that synopsis is definitely not the synopsis or anything close to the synopsis. i don't know who put that out. byyee.

— Josh Trank (@josh_trank) January 24, 2014

 

[Eneon]

I thought the least faithful Fantastic Four media project would always be 'The Thing' cartoon from the 70's, the one where the kid has a magic ring that turns him into the Thing when he says 'Thing ring, do your thing'.

Kudos to Fox for taking over that top spot.

Oh wow, I almost forgot about that.

That actually was the definitive version of The Thing for me for a number of years.

Don't even really remember watching that show, but I must have seen re-runs of it on Cartoon Network or something.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 24 January 2014 - 03:41 PM.