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@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!


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#61 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:15 PM

SURPRISE! Fox is making a quick and dirty Super hero movie, releasing it two weeks before Avengers 2 to ride the wave of enthusiasm and probably selling it back to Marvel after that since they have NO IDEA what to do with this thing.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:18 PM

Getting The Fantastic Four (and more importantly Doom and Galactus) back to Marvel would be about the only thing that would make that wretched synopsis palatable.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:38 PM

I don't know why they wanted to keep the license. Neither of their Previous FF movies did really well. Fantastic Four is really one of the worst properties to try and adapt, because they're not like the X-Men or Avengers, they tend to be less super-heroes and more 'explorers of the fantastic' that sometimes get side tracked by super-villains. FF tends to have a lot more "down time" due to that and being a family of heroes, then other properties and that's not easy to get across in a movie. Yes, 'The Incredibles' did it and they really are just a re-imagined fantastic four, but I don't think the same could fly for a live action movie just because people seem to have different expectations with them. I'm sure Marvel Studios could make them work, because they've yet to really fail at it. It'd work better as a TV series really, where you have much more time and room to really explore their dynamics and build up to their more epic moments, spacing things out with Reed's explorations and such.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:21 AM



I don't know why they wanted to keep the license. Neither of their Previous FF movies did really well. Fantastic Four is really one of the worst properties to try and adapt, because they're not like the X-Men or Avengers, they tend to be less super-heroes and more 'explorers of the fantastic' that sometimes get side tracked by super-villains. FF tends to have a lot more "down time" due to that and being a family of heroes, then other properties and that's not easy to get across in a movie. Yes, 'The Incredibles' did it and they really are just a re-imagined fantastic four, but I don't think the same could fly for a live action movie just because people seem to have different expectations with them. I'm sure Marvel Studios could make them work, because they've yet to really fail at it. It'd work better as a TV series really, where you have much more time and room to really explore their dynamics and build up to their more epic moments, spacing things out with Reed's explorations and such.

 

Three reasons, really.

 

1. The original FF movies didn't actually do that bad.

 

Fantastic Four

Budget: $100 million

Domestic: $154.7 million

Foreign: $175.9 million

 

Fantastic Four: Rise of the SIlver Surfer

Budget: $130 million

Domestic: $131.9 million

Foreign: $157.1 million

 

This was in a pre-Dark Knight, pre-Iron Man era too.  They weren't runaway successes, but they weren't amazing flops either.  They're sitting happily at mediocre.

 

2. Times have changed.  This is a post-Avengers world. 

-Super-hero movies are more popular than ever. (Even a divisive movie like Man of Steel made out pretty well for itself.)

-Team movies are potential money

-Shared Universes are potential money (FF + X-men)

 

3. Fantastic Four is worth more to Marvel (due to potential enrichment of the MCU) than it is to Fox, so letting the rights just expire and go back to Marvel for free is leaving money on the table.  More profitable to crap out an average movie every 7 years and rake in the mediocre profit on that while waiting for Marvel (or rather, Disney) to finally fork over the ridiculous amount of money Fox would sell it back to them for.  Disney, being a very "frugal" company, to put it politely, probably isn't going to pay anytime soon because even with just their Marvel Studio, they have a super full plate. (I think Kevin Fiege said they have 6-7 movies they want to do in Phase 3, and only room for 4-5.)


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:08 AM

While Reed "becoming" a scientific genius may be stretching things a bit (no pun intended), it's not without precedent in the comics. It's been stated several times that Reed's super-intelligence is, in part, an effect of his stretching powers in that he can "stretch" his brain.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:10 AM

would FOX really let Fantastic Four go? All they've got left aside from that is X-Men (i think) and that's not holding up too well either...


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:37 AM

Why are they so intent on taking Roger Corman's title of 'Worst Fantastic Four Movie Ever'?

 



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:58 AM

I really hope Marvel gets the rights back at some point.

A shared Marvel Universe where the FF and X-men, and their supporting casts, don't exist seems weird to me.

 

And I think I'm fine with race swaps in most cases(Thor would be odd) as long as they're not just made to fit Hollywood stereotypes.




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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:03 AM

 

 Times have changed.  This is a post-Avengers world. 
 

 

I love how you can just read this bit on its own, and it sounds like the Avengers really exist.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

I honestly just want them to translate the first two arcs of Ultimate Fantastic Four.


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#71 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:38 PM

I'd be more than ok with not having an origin story.



#72 Detour

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:43 PM

They should do the origin story in "news bytes" format and just kick off the story after that.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#73 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:49 PM

No, that's half assed story telling.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:58 PM

Everything about that synopsis makes me want to cry. It sounds like the most outright unfaithful, unrelated, ground-up-rebuild, complete-discarding-of-everything-that-works take on ANY superhero movie in the last decade and a half. I am filled with genuine dread.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:34 PM

No, that's half assed story telling.



Really? I thought it was done exceptionally well in The Incredible Hulk. I'd honestly want to see that a lot more than "retold origin story #77."

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#76 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

We see it all the time. It's a hack move. Use clever dialogue and nifty flashbacks. News bytes are no better than an opening scroll in the beginning. No, Star Wars isn't sacrosanct :p



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:07 PM

I thought the least faithful Fantastic Four media project would always be 'The Thing' cartoon from the 70's, the one where the kid has a magic ring that turns him into the Thing when he says 'Thing ring, do your thing'.

Kudos to Fox for taking over that top spot.

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#78 Detour

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:28 PM

No, that's half assed story telling.

Not if you use it to the film's advantage.

 

 

One of the things that set the Fantastic Four apart back in the day was that they didn't have secret identities. They were very public figures. Celebrities, even.

Using a "news bytes recap" format not only helps you catch up with the story, it also helps establish their media presence.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:29 PM

that synopsis is definitely not the synopsis or anything close to the synopsis. i don't know who put that out. byyee.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:41 PM

I thought the least faithful Fantastic Four media project would always be 'The Thing' cartoon from the 70's, the one where the kid has a magic ring that turns him into the Thing when he says 'Thing ring, do your thing'.

Kudos to Fox for taking over that top spot.

Oh wow, I almost forgot about that.

That actually was the definitive version of The Thing for me for a number of years.

Don't even really remember watching that show, but I must have seen re-runs of it on Cartoon Network or something.


Edited by Silent_Magnus, 24 January 2014 - 03:41 PM.