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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#41 Automan2000

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:40 AM

The problem with the first two FF movies is that the writers couldn't seem to figured out how to create action scenes where they use their powers as a team. That and just not coming up with a decent story.

The first was mostly just boring. So much of the movie was wasted on just farting around and goofing off. Couple that with no clear motive or plan from Doom and you just got a waste of time.

The second was flat-out insulting. When I heard that it was going to have the Silver Surfer I was really excited. I imagined massive battles as the FF fought against all odds against the wielder of the Power Cosmic. The Surfer is one of the most powerful beings in the universe and he gets punked by some goofy techy-thing and get sidelined for the rest of the movie. If that wasn't enough of a kick in the balls they turn around and have Johnny go all Super Skrull because the writers STILL can't figure out how to create a good action scene with them working as a team. This was seriously one of the few movies that actually made me angry.

I will also echo the sentiment that Jessica Alba was a terrible choice for Sue Storm. Personally, I would like to see Maria Bello in the part.

I don't think and all-black FF would be a very good idea. Mainly because I think that they would end up sidetracking the whole thing by doing everything they could to call attention to them being black. If they could pull it off by having the black actors but not making it out like the movie is spending it's entire running time holding up a neon sign reading "LOOK BLACK PEOPLE" then it could work. I just don't have that kind of faith in Hollywood.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:11 AM

QUOTE(Automan2000 @ May 3 2013, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will also echo the sentiment that Jessica Alba was a terrible choice for Sue Storm. Personally, I would like to see Maria Bello in the part.

Indeed. Hell, in addition to her weak acting, she looked like a damn mannequin in the 2nd film.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:58 AM

QUOTE(Automan2000 @ May 3 2013, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that wasn't enough of a kick in the balls they turn around and have Johnny go all Super Skrull because the writers STILL can't figure out how to create a good action scene with them working as a team.


More then that - it meant in both films, Johnny is ultimately the one who takes down Doom. I mean, I know the guy went on to be Captain America but sheesh.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE(Rust @ May 3 2013, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Automan2000 @ May 3 2013, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that wasn't enough of a kick in the balls they turn around and have Johnny go all Super Skrull because the writers STILL can't figure out how to create a good action scene with them working as a team.


More then that - it meant in both films, Johnny is ultimately the one who takes down Doom. I mean, I know the guy went on to be Captain America but sheesh.


If there had been a third movie, I'd have wanted to see Doom target him before everyone else.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:22 PM

QUOTE(Automan2000 @ May 3 2013, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that wasn't enough of a kick in the balls they turn around and have Johnny go all Super Skrull because the writers STILL can't figure out how to create a good action scene with them working as a team. This was seriously one of the few movies that actually made me angry.


this bugged the hell out of me. how the hell did johnny get so adept at using four different powers with no practice time?? gah!

and ive a question: did the surfers voice change? sounds like two different ones, one when he has his powers, and a different voice when he didnt have them

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Okay folks, we all want to hear your ideas for how the new FF film could be monumentally screwed up to the point of hilarity. And go! icon-fire.gif


dooms doing it all over a $10 parking ticket he found after reed borrowed his car. probly not all that funny, but not much worse than what we actually got
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#46 Jenny

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:26 PM

I hope the FF rights eventually get back to Marvel, so I can have awesome scenes with guys like Doom and the Skrulls and Galactus.



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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:57 AM

Well, can't say I'm disappointed if this happens.

Seen Jordan play superhero before in Chronicle. He played Steve Montgomery in that one, and he was the coolest and most likable person in the whole movie. Think he could do Johnny pretty good.

It's a role where you need some serious charisma, and he proved there he can deliver on an Evans level. Matters more than the melanin levels in someone's skin for the role, and the pool's more limited.

All three previous FF movies were turd sammiches anyway, so it's not like they'd be ruining unsullied territory. (Saying this as a big time fan of the World's Greatest Comic Magazine, too. Loved the Four before I'd even heard of Superman.)


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:49 AM

If anyone's getting a skin change, I'd like it to be Reed.

Goes against Hollywood stereotype of the black guy getting a flashy ability and being the cool character.

Gives kids an intelligent fictional role model to look up to. Doesn't get much smarter than Reed. (And who knows what'll happen with Black Panther, and if anyone'll care).

It doesn't really matter what colour Ben is, because that's not important. But I'd like the black guy to be seen, and be prominent (unlike say, Darwin from both First Class, where of course the black dude died first, and the comics where he looks white). And angry strong black guy is rather tropey.

Plus, this way, the black guys in charge, because he's smartest not strongest, he's not gonna die or turn evil, he doesn't have a criminal past, and we get a prominent interracial couple. (All that stuff fits various prominent black heroes Marvel derailed).

Only downside would be bitchy fanboys calling him 'Mr Blacktastic'.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

As far as the Thing goes they really need to do it CGI. The rubber looking Thing-suit was just awful. I get that Chiklis wanted to be on camera but if you looking for a face-role you don't take the role of a superhuman thing made of orange rock.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE(Automan2000 @ May 4 2013, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As far as the Thing goes they really need to do it CGI. The rubber looking Thing-suit was just awful.


No, they really don't. A good suit can work, if they actually make it a good suit. Look at Iron Man, they have regular practical suits along with CGI suits. It also helps make him feel more real. CGI works fine for the Hulk, because the hulk isn't always "on" and he's more of a monster, and CGI helps with that. But The Thing? He's always on, and despite being a rock creature, is still very human. I feel that because of that he needs to be more real, more physical then Hulk.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:40 PM

I dunno, I mean, CGI can get pretty good. And Iron Man having actual suits made sense anyway, considering he was quite literally, a man in a suit.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ May 4 2013, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If anyone's getting a skin change, I'd like it to be Reed.

Goes against Hollywood stereotype of the black guy getting a flashy ability and being the cool character.

Gives kids an intelligent fictional role model to look up to. Doesn't get much smarter than Reed. (And who knows what'll happen with Black Panther, and if anyone'll care).

It doesn't really matter what colour Ben is, because that's not important. But I'd like the black guy to be seen, and be prominent (unlike say, Darwin from both First Class, where of course the black dude died first, and the comics where he looks white). And angry strong black guy is rather tropey.

Plus, this way, the black guys in charge, because he's smartest not strongest, he's not gonna die or turn evil, he doesn't have a criminal past, and we get a prominent interracial couple. (All that stuff fits various prominent black heroes Marvel derailed).

Only downside would be bitchy fanboys calling him 'Mr Blacktastic'.


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:59 AM

...so has there been any update to this?

I'm especially worried about the director trying to cast a black actor as Johnny and a white actress as Sue. I'm fine with an ethnicity change but let's at least keep it consistent within the family here.

I like Cat's idea of making Reed black.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:16 AM

It's supposed to start shooting in September and they changed the shooting location to Louisana.

It sounds like Michael B. Jordan will be starring in that Rocky spinoff, so that may conflict with him being in Fantastic Four.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jul 28 2013, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like Cat's idea of making Reed black.

I'd be totally down with that.
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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

Cast Denzel as Reed and Naomi Watts as Sue, ramp up the romance then watch the southern states collectively implode.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:17 PM

Denzel as Reed...

My mind suddenly went "OH...MY...GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD."

It fits.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:15 PM

Oh god no.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


#59 Confuzor

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:27 PM

Reed "becomes" a scientific genius? Uh...no?



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:09 PM

*headdesk*


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