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[Suspsy]

Screw the Vision.

I want to see Miss Marvel added to the team. Hell, it'd have been awesome if they'd introduced Capt. Carol Danvers in the first film.

[Jenny]

I want freaking Squirl Girl.

......

And also Vision.

[Benbot]

He's like Cartman with the powers. He's a super strong android who can fly! Fires lasers! Can be any weight! Virtually indestructible. And can go through solid objects! And what the hell, let's throw in shape shifting and time travel powers too. It's to the point of being stupid.

[Shadewing]

He's like Cartman with the powers. He's a super strong android who can fly! Fires lasers! Can be any weight! Virtually indestructible. And can go through solid objects! And what the hell, let's throw in shape shifting and time travel powers too. It's to the point of being stupid.

Most those powers are the same power. He can shift his density. That's his main power. He flies when he shifts to be light enough to defy gravity, he's can be nearly indestuctible when his shifts his density to be as dense as possible. Phasing, is also on the lighter end of density shifting, just as super strength comes from hitting someone with a fist that weighs several tons.

[Jenny]

So, basically, the Vision is like Martian Manhunter, but with more powers and no telepathy.

[Cat]

Screw the Vision.

I want to see Miss Marvel added to the team. Hell, it'd have been awesome if they'd introduced Capt. Carol Danvers in the first film.

You may want to check that.

Seems set for Carol. But she'll be as Captain Marvel, apparently.

But obviously a lot of this stuff will be dropped before filming. So many new characters announced. Makes sense in a way to add extras early on, particularly with one key role not yet a certainty.

And if they don't drop anyone. It'll be X3 all over again.

[Shadewing]

So, basically, the Vision is like Martian Manhunter, but with more powers and no telepathy.

That's fairly apt, maybe not 100% accurate, but generally they are similar characters in basic personality and power set.

[Shadewing]

If we get Vision and Scarlet Witch in the same movie we'll have to suffer through that insipid "I am a robot. What is this emotion you call love? It does not compute. It does not compute." bulljive that I positively cannot stand.

So I'd prefer neither of them.

You've said this once before, and I'll say the same thing I said then: I've no clue where you get this impression from. Vision was NEVER trope at any point during his life.

[ZacWilliam1]

If we get Vision and Scarlet Witch in the same movie we'll have to suffer through that insipid "I am a robot. What is this emotion you call love? It does not compute. It does not compute." bulljive that I positively cannot stand.

So I'd prefer neither of them.

You've said this once before, and I'll say the same thing I said then: I've no clue where you get this impression from. Vision was NEVER trope at any point during his life.

Yeah this.

That complaint sounds like someone whose never actually read Vision stories talking. He was always an emotional fully "human" synthazoid. That's why the Scarlet Witch fell for him. He was a gentle, feeling, heroic soul.

He has exactly 2 powers: Mass shifting and lasers from the eyes. That's hardly overpowered in the world of Avengers at all.


-ZacWilliam, Vision is really one of the core classic Avengers and deserves to be in the films.

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 25 April 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Tyranno]

Make Vision the AI Jarvis in a robot body.

Admit it.

It'd be awesome.

[Cheetimus Primal]

I'm all for Vision in the movies but I'm more than OK with him having no connection to Wanda or Simon. Honestly it was FOREVER before I knew of the Simon connection and the Wanda thing always seemed too damn weird and forced to me. Just keep him as an Ultron creation and I would be very happy. Make the connection by using the Human Torch from the first Cap movie and I would pee my pants.

Also EFF Wanda entirely. I can not stand her powers... which are whatever the current writer says they are. She is just a terribly defined person.

[Shadewing]

Make Vision the AI Jarvis in a robot body.

Admit it.

It'd be awesome.

But that'd kinda rob us of Rescue.

[Undead Scottsman]

With Marvel wanting to do a Dr. Strange film, they could easily just have Wanda be a straight up witch weilding chaos magic or whatever. I'm pretty sure she had magical ability in addition to her mutant powers, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. Quicksilver could be the product of a spell or a mystical item or something, I dunno.

The other alternative is to weave them into the Inhumans mythos.

[Lizard King]

I honestly really hate the idea of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being on the big screen without them being mutants. It's such huge, huge parts of their characters. However, I have an unwavering faith in Joss Whedon. He'll find a way to not only make it work, but to make it awesome.

[Lio Kaiser]

Agreed - with Joss at the helm, he'll be able to incorporate what he can and make it work in a way that is both believable and faithful. It would also be an amazing thing if Fox and Marvel/Disney got a contract together to where they could share properties if needed.

I think Fox would have NOTHING to lose if they could borrow elements of the MCU and put it in their upcoming X-Men and X-related films! Imagine a S.H.I.E.L.D. cameo, or mentions of the Avengers as a team, or it's members, in upcoming X-Men films? How AWESOME would that be for the fans?!

And the idea that Logan could off-handed-ly mention his involvement in WW2, talk about the great Captain America, and mention the Avengers and Cap's return? With that in mind, it wouldn't be too far to bring in some form of the Marvel Illuminati if Fox and Marvel/Disney could share rights to characters.

Honestly, Fox would only GAIN from such a union, especially since Fox still has X-Men and Fantastic Four characters. An Avengers/X-Men/FF Cinematic Universe would be astonishing! HELL, Sony was willing to work with Marvel to incorporate the OSCORP tower in the Avengers' NYC Skyline, but rendering was already complete by the time all the red-tape was cleared.

Between Fox, Sony and Disney, Marvel could create a more unified MCU and be able to swap characters interchangbly and piece together a universe that co-exists between DOZENS of films.

-Lio Kaiser.

[bigbot69]

Honestly, Fox would only GAIN from such a union, especially since Fox still has X-Men and Fantastic Four characters. An Avengers/X-Men/FF Cinematic Universe would be astonishing! HELL, Sony was willing to work with Marvel to incorporate the OSCORP tower in the Avengers' NYC Skyline, but rendering was already complete by the time all the red-tape was cleared.

-Lio Kaiser.

But honestly that's why it won't happen because marvel/disney have nothing to gain from the union.

Marvel would ultimately want the characters back under their own fold, a union that allows other companies play to strengthen their hold wouldn't do really. And a union just so you can have an off hand mention of the fast SW and QS are mutants or wolverine fought with cap in WW would make us happy but they won't ultimately add or detract from the film.

[Undead Scottsman]

One of the key factors of keeping the MCU fro descending into dreck is a careful and thorough oversight of the series from Marvel/Disney (by way of Kevin Fiege.) Attaching themselves to Fox and Sony's offering is giving up some of that control. Additionally, working together would not be the creative paradise you seem to think it would be, as once multiple companies start workign together, it means multiple teams of lawyers start working together. Suddenly you have people demanding a higher cut of the profits due to a character having 2 minutes more screentime than in a previous draft, or conversely, bitching that their character is not getting enough face time. A quick cameo like putting a building in a background is one thing; subjecting your products to the whims of what is essentially a competitor is a terrible idea in the best of times.

Also, Fox has had some EXTREMLY dire movies (Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1&2, X-Men 3, Wolverine) and so has Sony (Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider) Those movies are filled with bad creative decisions, poor choices of actors, writers and directors, and just generally poor decision making that doesn't respect the source material. I'd prefer if those guys are as far removed from any additional IP's as possible. MCU is doing great on it's own, let's leave it that way.

[Cheetimus Primal]

Well... jive...

http://www.comicbook...e/news/?a=78662

I HATE the Scarlet Witch! I hate her. I hate the way her powers are so ill defined that they are pretty much whatever the current writer defines them as. I hate her for marrying a robot. I hate her for having psychic kids with a robot. I hate her for being the marvel U's Deus Ex Machina to EVERYTHING. I hate her for hugging her brother in the Ultimate Universe. I hate Loeb for spelling that out in his jivey run on the book when it was previously only eluded to and easily ignored.