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@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?


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#21 Suspsy

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:41 PM

Screw the Vision.

I want to see Miss Marvel added to the team. Hell, it'd have been awesome if they'd introduced Capt. Carol Danvers in the first film.
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

I want freaking Squirl Girl.

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And also Vision.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:47 PM

He's like Cartman with the powers. He's a super strong android who can fly! Fires lasers! Can be any weight! Virtually indestructible. And can go through solid objects! And what the hell, let's throw in shape shifting and time travel powers too. It's to the point of being stupid.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Apr 25 2013, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's like Cartman with the powers. He's a super strong android who can fly! Fires lasers! Can be any weight! Virtually indestructible. And can go through solid objects! And what the hell, let's throw in shape shifting and time travel powers too. It's to the point of being stupid.


Most those powers are the same power. He can shift his density. That's his main power. He flies when he shifts to be light enough to defy gravity, he's can be nearly indestuctible when his shifts his density to be as dense as possible. Phasing, is also on the lighter end of density shifting, just as super strength comes from hitting someone with a fist that weighs several tons.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

So, basically, the Vision is like Martian Manhunter, but with more powers and no telepathy.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE(Suspsy @ Apr 25 2013, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Screw the Vision.

I want to see Miss Marvel added to the team. Hell, it'd have been awesome if they'd introduced Capt. Carol Danvers in the first film.


You may want to check that.

Seems set for Carol. But she'll be as Captain Marvel, apparently.

But obviously a lot of this stuff will be dropped before filming. So many new characters announced. Makes sense in a way to add extras early on, particularly with one key role not yet a certainty.

And if they don't drop anyone. It'll be X3 all over again.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE(Escargon @ Apr 25 2013, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, basically, the Vision is like Martian Manhunter, but with more powers and no telepathy.


That's fairly apt, maybe not 100% accurate, but generally they are similar characters in basic personality and power set.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:04 PM

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If we get Vision and Scarlet Witch in the same movie we'll have to suffer through that insipid "I am a robot. What is this emotion you call love? It does not compute. It does not compute." bulljive that I positively cannot stand.

So I'd prefer neither of them.



You've said this once before, and I'll say the same thing I said then: I've no clue where you get this impression from. Vision was NEVER trope at any point during his life.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE(Database @ Apr 25 2013, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Apr 25 2013, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If we get Vision and Scarlet Witch in the same movie we'll have to suffer through that insipid "I am a robot. What is this emotion you call love? It does not compute. It does not compute." bulljive that I positively cannot stand.

So I'd prefer neither of them.



You've said this once before, and I'll say the same thing I said then: I've no clue where you get this impression from. Vision was NEVER trope at any point during his life.


Yeah this.

That complaint sounds like someone whose never actually read Vision stories talking. He was always an emotional fully "human" synthazoid. That's why the Scarlet Witch fell for him. He was a gentle, feeling, heroic soul.

He has exactly 2 powers: Mass shifting and lasers from the eyes. That's hardly overpowered in the world of Avengers at all.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:29 PM

Make Vision the AI Jarvis in a robot body.

Admit it.

It'd be awesome.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:31 PM

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screw all this beating around the bush. Just pay Fox a pittance and use the damn M word.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:43 PM

I'm all for Vision in the movies but I'm more than OK with him having no connection to Wanda or Simon. Honestly it was FOREVER before I knew of the Simon connection and the Wanda thing always seemed too damn weird and forced to me. Just keep him as an Ultron creation and I would be very happy. Make the connection by using the Human Torch from the first Cap movie and I would pee my pants.

Also EFF Wanda entirely. I can not stand her powers... which are whatever the current writer says they are. She is just a terribly defined person.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

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Make Vision the AI Jarvis in a robot body.

Admit it.

It'd be awesome.


But that'd kinda rob us of Rescue.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

With Marvel wanting to do a Dr. Strange film, they could easily just have Wanda be a straight up witch weilding chaos magic or whatever. I'm pretty sure she had magical ability in addition to her mutant powers, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. Quicksilver could be the product of a spell or a mystical item or something, I dunno.

The other alternative is to weave them into the Inhumans mythos.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

I honestly really hate the idea of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being on the big screen without them being mutants. It's such huge, huge parts of their characters. However, I have an unwavering faith in Joss Whedon. He'll find a way to not only make it work, but to make it awesome.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:23 PM

Agreed - with Joss at the helm, he'll be able to incorporate what he can and make it work in a way that is both believable and faithful. It would also be an amazing thing if Fox and Marvel/Disney got a contract together to where they could share properties if needed.

I think Fox would have NOTHING to lose if they could borrow elements of the MCU and put it in their upcoming X-Men and X-related films! Imagine a S.H.I.E.L.D. cameo, or mentions of the Avengers as a team, or it's members, in upcoming X-Men films? How AWESOME would that be for the fans?!

And the idea that Logan could off-handed-ly mention his involvement in WW2, talk about the great Captain America, and mention the Avengers and Cap's return? With that in mind, it wouldn't be too far to bring in some form of the Marvel Illuminati if Fox and Marvel/Disney could share rights to characters.

Honestly, Fox would only GAIN from such a union, especially since Fox still has X-Men and Fantastic Four characters. An Avengers/X-Men/FF Cinematic Universe would be astonishing! HELL, Sony was willing to work with Marvel to incorporate the OSCORP tower in the Avengers' NYC Skyline, but rendering was already complete by the time all the red-tape was cleared.

Between Fox, Sony and Disney, Marvel could create a more unified MCU and be able to swap characters interchangbly and piece together a universe that co-exists between DOZENS of films.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Apr 25 2013, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's like Cartman with the powers. He's a super strong android who can fly! Fires lasers! Can be any weight! Virtually indestructible. And can go through solid objects! And what the hell, let's throw in shape shifting and time travel powers too. It's to the point of being stupid.


Well, that's basically the Martian Manhunter in a nutshell. Except Vision is an android, but both are just about as clueless about human behaviour. I wonder which one of them came first in comics?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:15 AM

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Honestly, Fox would only GAIN from such a union, especially since Fox still has X-Men and Fantastic Four characters. An Avengers/X-Men/FF Cinematic Universe would be astonishing! HELL, Sony was willing to work with Marvel to incorporate the OSCORP tower in the Avengers' NYC Skyline, but rendering was already complete by the time all the red-tape was cleared.

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But honestly that's why it won't happen because marvel/disney have nothing to gain from the union.

Marvel would ultimately want the characters back under their own fold, a union that allows other companies play to strengthen their hold wouldn't do really. And a union just so you can have an off hand mention of the fast SW and QS are mutants or wolverine fought with cap in WW would make us happy but they won't ultimately add or detract from the film.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 04:38 PM

One of the key factors of keeping the MCU fro descending into dreck is a careful and thorough oversight of the series from Marvel/Disney (by way of Kevin Fiege.) Attaching themselves to Fox and Sony's offering is giving up some of that control. Additionally, working together would not be the creative paradise you seem to think it would be, as once multiple companies start workign together, it means multiple teams of lawyers start working together. Suddenly you have people demanding a higher cut of the profits due to a character having 2 minutes more screentime than in a previous draft, or conversely, bitching that their character is not getting enough face time. A quick cameo like putting a building in a background is one thing; subjecting your products to the whims of what is essentially a competitor is a terrible idea in the best of times.

Also, Fox has had some EXTREMLY dire movies (Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1&2, X-Men 3, Wolverine) and so has Sony (Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider) Those movies are filled with bad creative decisions, poor choices of actors, writers and directors, and just generally poor decision making that doesn't respect the source material. I'd prefer if those guys are as far removed from any additional IP's as possible. MCU is doing great on it's own, let's leave it that way.

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Well... jive...

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I HATE the Scarlet Witch! I hate her. I hate the way her powers are so ill defined that they are pretty much whatever the current writer defines them as. I hate her for marrying a robot. I hate her for having psychic kids with a robot. I hate her for being the marvel U's Deus Ex Machina to EVERYTHING. I hate her for hugging her brother in the Ultimate Universe. I hate Loeb for spelling that out in his jivey run on the book when it was previously only eluded to and easily ignored.