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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#1 Monzo

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

Hey. Remember this crazy Dutch comic where Jetfire was leader of the Autobots?



Well, after putting out a call for information about the comic, a fan in Spain ("Un tal Iv?n" - @Ivanspeedy on Twitter) sent along a scanned copy of it to TFWiki's Twitter account! It is, naturally, entirely in Spanish.

http://obscuretf.com...Promocional.zip

Now, thanks to Spark (for translating) and ItsWalky (for re-lettering), we have the comic portion of the book in English! (There is also a catalog portion, which has been translated but not re-lettered as yet.)

Click the thumbnails to enlarge:









Ivanspeedy says the book was a promo given away in stores. It's a bizarre redo/mash-up of Marvel's TF #1 and #4, with Soundwave filling in for Shockwave (despite Shockwave being advertised in the back), and gives brief fictional appearances to Roadbuster, Whirl, and Diaclone Blitzwing(!). More exciting to me, though, is that the ads in the back show all four Deluxe Insecticons in their Beetras colors - except the unproduced Beetras Ransack is in DIFFERENT unproduced colors! (He's green, the one we've seen art of is brown.) The Mini Vehicle section also features a rare appearance by the "bearded Warpath" variant/error, also available to view here.

Thanks to "Miguelator 3" for the original scans, to Ivanspeedy for providing them, to Spark for translating and to ItsWalky for lettering and color-adjustment. Enjoy this bit of obscurity, everyone!

Edited by Monzo, 02 February 2013 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

Page 2 of the comic pages, last panel - "...Sounwave had survived."

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:00 PM

*This translation is pretty literal, so excuse the peculiar prose.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

That is a fantastic little micro-continuity. I'd love to see some additional fiction there.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:14 PM

This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.
Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

Optimus in a bit of a Senior style pose there. Really dig the art here. Jetfire looks flippin' awesome.

Swoop never did get a lot of love in Holland. Diaclone Blitzwing as he appeared in the early promo stuff.

If you all ever need anything translated from Dutch just let me know.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

I like how in the roll call with Jetfire, Roadbuster, and Whirl, the Autobots are all non-Diaclone molds, while the cons are. Just a coincidence, but it does make me wonder how the line would be today if one faction were all based off Takara designs and the other side non-Diaclone based figures.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

^ Then the Japanese toyline(s) would have been seriously one-sided. Like during TF Zone..

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE(StarScreamZX @ Feb 2 2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Optimus in a bit of a Senior style pose there. Really dig the art here. Jetfire looks flippin' awesome.

Swoop never did get a lot of love in Holland. Diaclone Blitzwing as he appeared in the early promo stuff.

If you all ever need anything translated from Dutch just let me know.

It's pretty clear that the art is mostly based on UK comics. icon-op.gif


#10 Liege

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

Soundwave totally shot that t-rex in the face, man.
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And Liege, you're words really have had an effect on me. It made me relise I've shouldn't care about what others think of me, I should only care about what I think of myself.

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Well one of those descriptive words is accurate I suppose!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE(Liege @ Feb 2 2013, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soundwave totally shot that t-rex in the face, man.


Not having a face of his own, Soundwave hates faces and shoots them whenever and wherever possible.

#12 Monzo

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

So does this warrant frontpaging, or what?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

But fear not because ALL OF THE LAND MASS IS FALLING ON TOP OF HIM.

AHHG!

Pretty neat find.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE(crazyjw18 @ Feb 3 2013, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

But fear not because ALL OF THE LAND MASS IS FALLING ON TOP OF HIM.

AHHG!

Pretty neat find.

If only he had jumped at that precise moment... :[

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2013, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(crazyjw18 @ Feb 3 2013, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

But fear not because ALL OF THE LAND MASS IS FALLING ON TOP OF HIM.

AHHG!

Pretty neat find.

If only he had jumped at that precise moment... :[

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:52 PM

That was fun. Also, interesting to see they went the other direction with the Dinobots. Instead of being super powerful, they couldn't even deal with Soundwave.
 
 
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

So over at TFW2005, some folks say they still own the German and Dutch versions and would have provided them had they known we were looking for them. Huh.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

QUOTE(Dake @ Feb 3 2013, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was fun. Also, interesting to see they went the other direction with the Dinobots. Instead of being super powerful, they couldn't even deal with Soundwave.


More like Soundwave was just a freaking god.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 3 2013, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So over at TFW2005, some folks say they still own the German and Dutch versions and would have provided them had they known we were looking for them. Huh.


It would probably be worth checking out, just to make sure nothing was lost in this translation.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

That one line is confusing me. You translated it, so I guess you might know best what is happening there? By "This Monster", is he referring to himself? Or is he actually trying to save some dinosaurs from being eaten by others, weirdly?

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