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@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 10:25 AM)

Wasn't Barber among the editorial guys that pushed for Hasbroverse?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 10:19 AM)

He did it possibly due to 616 Spider-Mans marriage reset between Civil War and Secret Invasion.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 09:20 AM)

Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man because it was mostly set far away from Earth?

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 September 2020 - 08:49 AM)

I'm learning so much-

@  Maruten : (18 September 2020 - 04:21 AM)

At its worst it was better than MASK, sure.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 02:15 AM)

At it's worst it still stomped all over the failed Hasbroverse. Roberts and Roche kept their respective series well out of that one for the same reasons Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man when Loeb and Miller wanted greater control for Ultimatum.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2020 - 06:37 PM)

That's so accurate it's physically painful.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Red Dwarf of Transformers? An interesting, innovative and genuinely funny series that descended into a self referential mess of cliches that continues long after it should have been put out to pasture and rendered nerly everyone thoroughly unlikeable? That seems about right.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 01:59 PM)

MTMTE and Lost Light are the Red Dwarf of Transformers stories, as opposed to the others which are more like Star Wars and Star Trek.

@  Kalidor : (17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM)

Anyone in CONUS want a Skylynx for $100 shipped?

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 September 2020 - 01:34 PM)

Maybe an acquired taste in that's in that it's from a fan raised on the UK run where Transformers wasn't taken so seriously in many stories, especially some Earthforce standalones.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2020 - 09:47 AM)

so, terrible?

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Yeah I think at that point Lost Light is just the '86 movie without the soundtrack.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 September 2020 - 02:28 AM)

So, exctly what Triangleman just said.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 12:36 AM)

A few of the same characters.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 12:07 AM)

Now having actually read Galaxies #10, I don't actually see what it has in common with Lost Light at all besides featuring Ultra Magnus, Chromedome, and a spaceship.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 05:33 PM)

So, it's exactly like Lost Light, then.

@  Bass X0 : (16 September 2020 - 01:52 PM)

What if Lost Light was stripped bare of its charm and humor? Galaxies #10 is the answer.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 01:49 PM)

I didn't mean "*exactly* 15 years ago and no other time."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 September 2020 - 12:27 AM)

I mean, the comment was about a linewide gimmick of 15 years ago, not a gimmick only present in a minority of toys from that year.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:14 AM)

I'd like a western take on the UT for it's twentieth, like a annual CG or anime movie on Netflix that is a condensed retelling similar to the film Macross/Robotech: Do You Remember Love.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:11 AM)

Giant Planet had them, Energon had a few. I've been disappointed in Siege for not having something for the Micromasters, Earthrise has with the base bots but they've been wasted here.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 September 2020 - 10:47 PM)

Wasn't 15 years ago Cyber Keys rather than Minicons?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 September 2020 - 09:38 PM)

By and large, even the worst Minicons have some unique engineering or design elements. The nostalgia factor aside, Micromasters got pretty samey after you got several, especially the "proper" 89 series.

@  unluckiness : (15 September 2020 - 07:13 PM)

There's certainly a load of crummy ones to sift through

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2020 - 05:29 PM)

Or both. There's some overlap.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 September 2020 - 03:19 PM)

People either hated minicons or became completely addicted to them.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 September 2020 - 03:17 PM)

A properly-planned theme, or as people called it 15 years ago, a stupid linewide baby toy gimmick that ruins the toys.


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#1 Monzo

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

Hey. Remember this crazy Dutch comic where Jetfire was leader of the Autobots?



Well, after putting out a call for information about the comic, a fan in Spain ("Un tal Iv?n" - @Ivanspeedy on Twitter) sent along a scanned copy of it to TFWiki's Twitter account! It is, naturally, entirely in Spanish.

http://obscuretf.com...Promocional.zip

Now, thanks to Spark (for translating) and ItsWalky (for re-lettering), we have the comic portion of the book in English! (There is also a catalog portion, which has been translated but not re-lettered as yet.)

Click the thumbnails to enlarge:









Ivanspeedy says the book was a promo given away in stores. It's a bizarre redo/mash-up of Marvel's TF #1 and #4, with Soundwave filling in for Shockwave (despite Shockwave being advertised in the back), and gives brief fictional appearances to Roadbuster, Whirl, and Diaclone Blitzwing(!). More exciting to me, though, is that the ads in the back show all four Deluxe Insecticons in their Beetras colors - except the unproduced Beetras Ransack is in DIFFERENT unproduced colors! (He's green, the one we've seen art of is brown.) The Mini Vehicle section also features a rare appearance by the "bearded Warpath" variant/error, also available to view here.

Thanks to "Miguelator 3" for the original scans, to Ivanspeedy for providing them, to Spark for translating and to ItsWalky for lettering and color-adjustment. Enjoy this bit of obscurity, everyone!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

Page 2 of the comic pages, last panel - "...Sounwave had survived."

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:00 PM

*This translation is pretty literal, so excuse the peculiar prose.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

That is a fantastic little micro-continuity. I'd love to see some additional fiction there.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:14 PM

This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

Optimus in a bit of a Senior style pose there. Really dig the art here. Jetfire looks flippin' awesome.

Swoop never did get a lot of love in Holland. Diaclone Blitzwing as he appeared in the early promo stuff.

If you all ever need anything translated from Dutch just let me know.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

I like how in the roll call with Jetfire, Roadbuster, and Whirl, the Autobots are all non-Diaclone molds, while the cons are. Just a coincidence, but it does make me wonder how the line would be today if one faction were all based off Takara designs and the other side non-Diaclone based figures.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

^ Then the Japanese toyline(s) would have been seriously one-sided. Like during TF Zone..

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE(StarScreamZX @ Feb 2 2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Optimus in a bit of a Senior style pose there. Really dig the art here. Jetfire looks flippin' awesome.

Swoop never did get a lot of love in Holland. Diaclone Blitzwing as he appeared in the early promo stuff.

If you all ever need anything translated from Dutch just let me know.

It's pretty clear that the art is mostly based on UK comics. icon-op.gif


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

Soundwave totally shot that t-rex in the face, man.
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Well one of those descriptive words is accurate I suppose!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE(Liege @ Feb 2 2013, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soundwave totally shot that t-rex in the face, man.


Not having a face of his own, Soundwave hates faces and shoots them whenever and wherever possible.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

So does this warrant frontpaging, or what?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

But fear not because ALL OF THE LAND MASS IS FALLING ON TOP OF HIM.

AHHG!

Pretty neat find.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE(crazyjw18 @ Feb 3 2013, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

But fear not because ALL OF THE LAND MASS IS FALLING ON TOP OF HIM.

AHHG!

Pretty neat find.

If only he had jumped at that precise moment... :[

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 3 2013, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(crazyjw18 @ Feb 3 2013, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

But fear not because ALL OF THE LAND MASS IS FALLING ON TOP OF HIM.

AHHG!

Pretty neat find.

If only he had jumped at that precise moment... :[

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:52 PM

That was fun. Also, interesting to see they went the other direction with the Dinobots. Instead of being super powerful, they couldn't even deal with Soundwave.
 
 
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

So over at TFW2005, some folks say they still own the German and Dutch versions and would have provided them had they known we were looking for them. Huh.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

QUOTE(Dake @ Feb 3 2013, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was fun. Also, interesting to see they went the other direction with the Dinobots. Instead of being super powerful, they couldn't even deal with Soundwave.


More like Soundwave was just a freaking god.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 3 2013, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So over at TFW2005, some folks say they still own the German and Dutch versions and would have provided them had they known we were looking for them. Huh.


It would probably be worth checking out, just to make sure nothing was lost in this translation.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 2 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This continuity gives us literal one-man-army Soundwave WHO CARES NOT FOR POOR CREATURES.

That one line is confusing me. You translated it, so I guess you might know best what is happening there? By "This Monster", is he referring to himself? Or is he actually trying to save some dinosaurs from being eaten by others, weirdly?

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