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@  Bass X0 : (28 May 2017 - 02:59 PM)

Back in my day, I called them "Mini-Spies".

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 May 2017 - 02:06 PM)

Think about the implications of it though, robots in disguise themselves infiltrated and paranoid by the recent shifts in the status quo.

@  unluckiness : (28 May 2017 - 07:47 AM)

I'm kinda glad. A couple tie-in stories aside, Secret Invasion was a mess.

@  Steevy Maximus : (28 May 2017 - 07:23 AM)

Almost makes you wonder if some of the aborted Micronauts relaunch concept didn't slip in...

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 May 2017 - 07:20 AM)

Titan Masters could quite easily have been Transformers: Secret invasion, the return of the Mini-cons/Stentarians but noooooo, it had to be whatever the pit it is.

@  Pennpenn : (28 May 2017 - 02:59 AM)

Fairly sure I used too much flour. Oh well.

@  Pennpenn : (28 May 2017 - 02:24 AM)

Scones in the oven.

@  Pennpenn : (28 May 2017 - 01:54 AM)

Considering whether it's worth the effort to make scones

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 May 2017 - 07:36 PM)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gundam-Breaker-3-BREAK-EDITION-English-PS4-Game-GOTY-Physical-Version-/142395861602?hash=item2127746a62:g:kb0AAOSw8lpZKS31

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 May 2017 - 07:36 PM)

TMM, free shipping

@  unluckiness : (27 May 2017 - 07:33 PM)

Even if it's just 4 bucks, people shouldn't be patronizing obvious scams.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 May 2017 - 05:37 PM)

What's the shipping price?

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 May 2017 - 05:18 PM)

Yeah, but it's cheaper than all the Hong Kong sellers running at $65+

@  2017 : (27 May 2017 - 05:07 PM)

It sounds like a scam.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 May 2017 - 04:32 PM)

I know, RIGHT?!

@  wonko the sane? : (27 May 2017 - 04:23 PM)

Part of me is screaming "no", and part of me says "It's just four bucks, hit it and hope for the best".

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 May 2017 - 04:09 PM)

Hmmm,...do I take the chance on a copy of Gundam Breaker 3 Break Edition for $4 from a China seller with zero feedback?

@  unluckiness : (27 May 2017 - 11:19 AM)

and collect cobwebs

@  Rycochet : (27 May 2017 - 11:06 AM)

Aside from getting stuck in bathtubs and getting eaten by family pets.

@  Bass X0 : (27 May 2017 - 10:10 AM)

Spider-Man toys don't do whatever a spider can either...

@  Pennpenn : (27 May 2017 - 04:38 AM)

Grax is only invisible when no one is looking at them. No idea what's wrong with your Xort.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 May 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Titan Masters is filled with false advertising, Grax doesn't make any figure invisible and Xort doesn't do anything with gravity. Maybe they'll be in the Transformer toys of tomorrow which will be actual robots with AI.

@  Waspinator : (27 May 2017 - 02:19 AM)

So you can bite his shiny metal ass?

@  unluckiness : (27 May 2017 - 02:12 AM)

Any particular reason TLK Voyager Optimus has his ass painted silver?

@  Noideaforaname : (26 May 2017 - 09:58 PM)

Loki makes life interesting. "I HAVE A PLAN FOR GETTING BACK THOR'S HAMMER!! HE'LL NEED TO WEAR THIS WEDDING DRESS!"

@  Echowarrior : (26 May 2017 - 09:16 PM)

Thor was a great guy. Same as most of the Asgard. Loki was a jerk, though.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 May 2017 - 07:21 PM)

I think thor was just too smart to NOT call us stupid next to him.

@  Pennpenn : (26 May 2017 - 07:18 PM)

Six of one, half a dozen of the other?

@  wonko the sane? : (26 May 2017 - 07:17 PM)

I always interpreted that scene to mean that asgardians weren't capable of breaking down problems in the same way as humans.

@  Pennpenn : (26 May 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I mean, SG1 was a good show on balance. One of my favourite things was Thor admitting he found humans good to keep around because they so often came up with stupid ideas that nevertheless worked out.

@  Whirl Maximus : (26 May 2017 - 05:59 AM)

Those episodes were 1969 and 2010.

@  Whirl Maximus : (26 May 2017 - 05:59 AM)

Stargate sg1 was loosely based on the movie, it thrived on continuity it was impressive how old situations and solutions would come back in unexpected ways. Continuum had it's villain use the characters own solution in two previous episodes against them.

@  Pennpenn : (26 May 2017 - 05:39 AM)

And yeah, name is based on a part of my surname. Can't remember why I picked it. Lost to memories of the primordial early 2000s.

@  Pennpenn : (26 May 2017 - 05:37 AM)

Like how Abydos in the movie is in another galaxy on the far side of the universe, but Abydos in SG1 is the closest world to Earth (and that was the only reason the gate could still get there) and even getting to other galaxies was impossible with the normal gates.

@  Pennpenn : (26 May 2017 - 05:35 AM)

I was very tired when I said that, but what I meant was a lot of stuff that is in the original Stargate movie is contradicted a lot in Stargate SG1.

@  unluckiness : (26 May 2017 - 05:29 AM)

OBJECTION

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (26 May 2017 - 12:48 AM)

I remember a fanfic that had Swindle as Lawyer.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 May 2017 - 10:08 PM)

No, I am referring to before Beast Wars: Uprising. I swear Swindle was a lawyer in a story before "A Brush With Infamy".

@  Telly : (25 May 2017 - 09:47 PM)

i cant get the link to work for the life of me. just go to the wiki and type "a brush with infamy" in the search box and itll come up

@  Telly : (25 May 2017 - 09:40 PM)

grr. check the post above this one. stupid non working link and i cant delete shouts...

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 May 2017 - 09:25 PM)

I swear I've read the story but now I forget which one it is.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 May 2017 - 09:25 PM)

When has G1 Swindle been a lawyer before?

@  Rycochet : (25 May 2017 - 07:20 PM)

All I know about PennPenn is he's so good they named him twice.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 May 2017 - 07:02 PM)

Nope.. Pennpenn is actually a Prinny dood!

@  Foffy : (25 May 2017 - 06:47 PM)

I wonder if Pennpenn is related to Sean Penn.

@  Kalidor : (25 May 2017 - 04:31 PM)

PennPenn - What are you talking about?

@  wonko the sane? : (25 May 2017 - 02:13 PM)

It's the only way for wisconsin to build it's population.

@  Bass X0 : (25 May 2017 - 02:04 PM)

Wisconsin law: Whenever two trains meet at an intersection of said tracks, neither shall proceed until the other has.

@  Nevermore : (25 May 2017 - 11:58 AM)

Prequel creep?

@  Pennpenn : (25 May 2017 - 09:47 AM)

The prequel-creep from the original Stargate movie to SG1 is kinda funny.


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#121 wonko the sane?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

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Too good at his jobs would have caused applejack an even bigger problem. Then she wouldn't have a legitimate reason to see him off. Not wanting him to help is strictly personal, and if he was too good, the rest of the apple family would have wanted him to stay because he was useful. Not wanting him to help AND having him be legitimately bad at the work: now everyone wants him gone.

It would have changed the writing of the entire episode basically.

And probably for the better. Having to struggle with wanting to do the right thing but being reluctant to give up the free help would have been a fun twist on the concept, fitting for a show where the characters are expected to learn some moral lesson every week. I don't even remember what the moral was, this time.

Not disagreeing with you, just calling it as I see it. Frankly, I feel that spike got the short end of the stick on this being painted as incompetent outside the library. Sure he's had a few accidents, but he's mostly skilled at his tasks, and its not like he's specialized, its general skills. We already know he can cook, clean, make home repairs and keep things categorized to an anal retentive's satisfaction.

I know it was all for the sake of the episode: to give genuine reason for applejack to want things back to status quo and make it plain for the targeted audience. Still, sucks for spike. He gets enough crap thrown at him without him doing it to himself.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ Jan 9 2013, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fluttershy's "I said NO!" before wrecking Rainbow Dash is a clear indication that she's in assertive mode. Just look at the sudden determination on her face before doing it. There's no way that's not intended to be assertive Fluttershy. It looks like something out of Putting Your Hoof Down, also written by Williams. "You push me out the door, I drop you to the floor."

Fluttershy only wrecked Rainbow because she was between her and the exit. Spike isn't that aggressive. He's also not as hard to escape from. At worst, he'd be like the paparazzi from Green Isn't Your Color, and even that's a stretch.

QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ Jan 9 2013, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think Spike would drive Fluttershy crazy. She'd say no until Spike gave up, and she'd get assertive if she had to.

This episode, among others, has shown that Spike is very tenacious. He wouldn't give up just from someone saying no, and he'd eventually come up with useful suggestions. He'd probably start doing stuff without her knowledge before giving up.

QUOTE('Fnu Aw' date='Jan 9 2013 @ 09:46 AM' post='2221701')
Spike would start whining about not being a noble dragon. Fluttershy would find a way to calm him down.

Like giving him a job to do? Any random job?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE(Sjogre @ Jan 9 2013, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ Jan 9 2013, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fluttershy's "I said NO!" before wrecking Rainbow Dash is a clear indication that she's in assertive mode. Just look at the sudden determination on her face before doing it. There's no way that's not intended to be assertive Fluttershy. It looks like something out of Putting Your Hoof Down, also written by Williams. "You push me out the door, I drop you to the floor."

Fluttershy only wrecked Rainbow because she was between her and the exit. Spike isn't that aggressive. He's also not as hard to escape from. At worst, he'd be like the paparazzi from Green Isn't Your Color, and even that's a stretch.

Look at the determined expression. Look at the breathing as she starts getting pumped. This is assertive Fluttershy about to rock.



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I don't think Spike would drive Fluttershy crazy. She'd say no until Spike gave up, and she'd get assertive if she had to.

This episode, among others, has shown that Spike is very tenacious. He wouldn't give up just from someone saying no, and he'd eventually come up with useful suggestions. He'd probably start doing stuff without her knowledge before giving up.

If he did that, he'd only make Fluttershy more determined. What would he even find to do around her cottage but take care of critters? There's no way Fluttershy's letting anyone take over that job, especially if Spike's being unusually clumsy. She would make him stop.

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Spike would start whining about not being a noble dragon. Fluttershy would find a way to calm him down.

Like giving him a job to do? Any random job?

She'd talk to him until he believed he's still a noble dragon.

Edited by Fnu Aw, 09 January 2013 - 10:52 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ Jan 9 2013, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sjogre @ Jan 9 2013, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ Jan 9 2013, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fluttershy's "I said NO!" before wrecking Rainbow Dash is a clear indication that she's in assertive mode. Just look at the sudden determination on her face before doing it. There's no way that's not intended to be assertive Fluttershy. It looks like something out of Putting Your Hoof Down, also written by Williams. "You push me out the door, I drop you to the floor."

Fluttershy only wrecked Rainbow because she was between her and the exit. Spike isn't that aggressive. He's also not as hard to escape from. At worst, he'd be like the paparazzi from Green Isn't Your Color, and even that's a stretch.

Look at the determined expression. Look at the breathing as she starts getting pumped. This is assertive Fluttershy about to rock.

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That's cool, but irrelevant. Spike wouldn't press her like that, and wouldn't stop her from running. If she did pull something like that, it would just make both of them feel bad, and make Spike feel like he owes her even more. And Fluttershy would probably feel obligated to put up with him after that.

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I don't think Spike would drive Fluttershy crazy. She'd say no until Spike gave up, and she'd get assertive if she had to.

This episode, among others, has shown that Spike is very tenacious. He wouldn't give up just from someone saying no, and he'd eventually come up with useful suggestions. He'd probably start doing stuff without her knowledge before giving up.

If he did that, he'd only make Fluttershy more determined. What would he even find to do around her cottage but take care of critters? There's no way Fluttershy's letting anyone take over that job, especially if Spike's being unusually clumsy. She would make him stop.

Just off the top of my head, he could offer to do her in town shopping, something that she doesn't particularly care for. She'd probably have him count animals or plants, the same kind of busywork that Applejack assigned, and something that he didn't screw up.

Alternatively, she could go for a back scratch after a day of dealing with Angel.

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Spike would start whining about not being a noble dragon. Fluttershy would find a way to calm him down.

Like giving him a job to do? Any random job?

She'd talk to him until he believed he's still a noble dragon.

That didn't work when anyone else tried it, and Fluttershy isn't a particularly skilled orator. Spike's code says that he needs to pay her back, so he has to pay her back. This wasn't about perceived nobility, it was about Spike needing to repay a debt that he owed. He doesn't care if she thinks he's still noble or not, it is something that he has to do because that is what he believes in.

Seriously, why do you think that Fluttershy would be able to talk him down when no one else could? She's easily the worst talker, and has no special skill with persuasion.

Edited by Sjogre, 09 January 2013 - 11:23 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:07 PM

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Alternatively, she could go for a back scratch after a day of dealing with Angel.

Why not just assign Spike to deal with Angel?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

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Seriously, why do you think that Fluttershy would be able to talk him down when no one else could? She's easily the worst talker, and has no special skill with persuasion.

Spike wouldn't be the first dragon she's talked down. Her resume is nothing to scoff at.

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Alternatively, she could go for a back scratch after a day of dealing with Angel.

Why not just assign Spike to deal with Angel?

That would be cruel. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ Jan 10 2013, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Seriously, why do you think that Fluttershy would be able to talk him down when no one else could? She's easily the worst talker, and has no special skill with persuasion.

Spike wouldn't be the first dragon she's talked down. Her resume is nothing to scoff at.

.... How is that situation vaguely similar? Fluttershy used The Stare on him because he was threatening her friends, and got him to leave while he was still reeling, rather than actually talking him down. Spike isn't threatening her friends, and he's actually trying to help her. If anything, Spike would be putting the guilt trip on her.

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Alternatively, she could go for a back scratch after a day of dealing with Angel.

Why not just assign Spike to deal with Angel?

That would be cruel. icon-fire.gif

But it would mean that she doesn't have to worry about Spike hurting someone...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

Does anyone else want in on this debate? I feel like we could use a third voice here.

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Seriously, why do you think that Fluttershy would be able to talk him down when no one else could? She's easily the worst talker, and has no special skill with persuasion.

Spike wouldn't be the first dragon she's talked down. Her resume is nothing to scoff at.

.... How is that situation vaguely similar? Fluttershy used The Stare on him because he was threatening her friends, and got him to leave while he was still reeling, rather than actually talking him down. Spike isn't threatening her friends, and he's actually trying to help her. If anything, Spike would be putting the guilt trip on her.

She did use The Stare on him while scolding him, but not while calming him down afterwards. Recall that she did get him to stop crying before he left, and she did it just by talking to him. Don't dismiss her abilities. Spike putting the guilt trip on her might work (it usually works when Rainbow Dash does it), but she might respond by talking to him and telling him he's still a noble dragon and whatever else he'd need to hear. She is good at that.

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Alternatively, she could go for a back scratch after a day of dealing with Angel.

Why not just assign Spike to deal with Angel?

That would be cruel. icon-fire.gif

But it would mean that she doesn't have to worry about Spike hurting someone...

True. If Spike didn't do things right Angel would probably throw him out.

Edited by Fnu Aw, 10 January 2013 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

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Seriously, why do you think that Fluttershy would be able to talk him down when no one else could? She's easily the worst talker, and has no special skill with persuasion.

Spike wouldn't be the first dragon she's talked down. Her resume is nothing to scoff at.

.... How is that situation vaguely similar? Fluttershy used The Stare on him because he was threatening her friends, and got him to leave while he was still reeling, rather than actually talking him down. Spike isn't threatening her friends, and he's actually trying to help her. If anything, Spike would be putting the guilt trip on her.

She did use The Stare on him while scolding him, but not while calming him down afterwards. Recall that she did get him to stop crying before he left, and she did it just by talking to him. Don't dismiss her abilities. Spike putting the guilt trip on her might work (it usually works when Rainbow Dash does it), but she might respond by talking to him and telling him he's still a noble dragon and whatever else he'd need to hear. She is good at that.

What Spike needs to hear is that she's let him help her. The red adult was, well, kinda dim, and less mature than Spike. Fluttershy was able to comfort him like he was a wild animal because he was acting like a wild animal,* and being good with animals is her talent. That wouldn't work with Spike, who actually has some reasoning behind his actions beyond losing his temper or being to lazy to move. She wasn't even able to control the crusaders, who are far younger and less mature than Spike.

*Dragons have a sad sad habit of living down to Equestrian stereotypes about them.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

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Does anyone else want in on this debate? I feel like we could use a third voice here.

Not really, but I'd come down on Sjogre's side of the debate in this case.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:21 PM

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Does anyone else want in on this debate? I feel like we could use a third voice here.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:50 PM

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Does anyone else want in on this debate? I feel like we could use a third voice here.

Not really, but I'd come down on Sjogre's side of the debate in this case.

Aw, won't you tell us why? This debate is just going back and forth. We need a fresh perspective.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:02 AM

While there were some funny jokes and interpersonal relations (Rainbow Dash is best sitcom neighbor), I think it made tow major missteps. I think briefly noting that he was being overzealous or perhaps he was still shaken up by the attack would have helped make him seem less OOC. Likewise, it would have been better if instead of Twilight making Dragon Code seem like a known thing, call it out as something of Spike's own creation.
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#134 Fnu Aw

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

At this point I've reconciled the episode's faults in my mind and just enjoy the funny jokes. This episode has plenty to keep me satisfied.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

That's how I felt when I saw this, I was like "Wow the plot is really lame!"

But I said that while laughing my ass off because it really had some great gags. The horrible fake timberwolf was hysterical.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

Yeah, what this episode lacked in plot it made up for in hilarity.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

I really like the way Rarity was handled. Her friends often think she's ridiculous, but here she gets to show that being dramatic is an actual skill. We may not have gotten to see far into her acting lessons, but we did get to see her perform, and she proved that she knows what she's talking about. She was great. And she was so proud of herself for it. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

This episode is supposed to take place after Just for Sidekicks, which actually explains some stuff. Namely, after realizing just what a heel he was in Just, he decided to try to get his act together, and drew up a Noble Dragon Code that he would try to live up to. But since he wrote it up in response to his greedy actions, he went way overboard in the other direction.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:01 PM

That could work.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

Forgot about the rearranged episodes. That actually makes a ton of sense.
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